Liam McBean

[Blind Faith]

As silly as it sounds I don't think he is the Vickery Griffith type of key forward, I jus t think his a very unique type of player who's tricks could possibly work well beside a player like Jack.....doesn't look like his going too make it either way

What makes you think he would be allowed to show off his unique tricks?Follow team rules,stick to the structures.Creativity and natural flair are a thing off the past with players.

 

[tigerlove]

At least Vickery and Griff are mediocre at AFL level. I see no sense in replacing them with someone who is mediocre at VFL level, no matter how many of his relatives get on PRE and sprook his values!

Funny I remember Vickery being dropped last year and not carve it up in the VFL. How many great games has Griffo had at VFL level? When you're a rubbish team at VFL level, which we have been for ages, it doesn't matter what make of tall you are, it is difficult to show your wares to the fullest extent in the forward line of our reserves. All people are asking is that he is given a fair go, give him a chance. I see a lot of point in him getting a go at AFL level, otherwise why hold onto him for so long?

 

[Tigerfan]

Still might get a game

 

[blutiga]

Still might get a game

I'm waiting for two minutes into the final warm up.

 

[frickenel]

At least Vickery and Griff are mediocre at AFL level. I see no sense in replacing them with someone who is mediocre at VFL level, no matter how many of his relatives get on PRE and sprook his values!

A spot is there for someone who really wants it. What a pity nobody seems to want it badly enough.

In the last 3 years there isn't a player that's kicked more goals than McBean in the VFL, despite the fact he's been playing in a rubbish side bereft of mid fielders.

My take on the 3 talls is this:
If Vickery hit up at the ball carrier and put his arms out in front of him, he'd dominate at AFL level, particularly as he converts well. He's agile, 200cm and has long arms. Unfortunately he prefers to play like Lance Whitnall and look for the soft goal out the back no more than 30m out. When you talk "AFL standard goals", 90% of Vickery's goals are Joe the Goose type goals. Dissapointing because he could be so much more.

Griffiths does hit up at the ball carrier, but can't read the play well enough to do it consistently. In fact you often see his direct opponent taking intercept marks because they have read the play so much better. You look back for Griffiths and he's lagging 15m behind. If he could read the play better he'd be a weapon,but he can't and i'm not sure it's something that's easily learned mid career.

McBean is the most natural footballer of the 3. He hits up at the ball carrier, and puts his arms out in front of him. This would be more valuable at AFL level than VFL level, firstly because the ball tends to come in at a lower trajectory and secondly because there are better mids in our seniors to deliver the ball accurately. Stangent talls who don't hit up clog forward lines up. As much as i didn't rate Miller a few years back, i felt our forward line functioned better when he played because he did hit up at the ball carrier. Sometimes we used him, sometimes we used the player who ran into the space he created behind him.
Additionally with McBean, his ability to read the drop of the ball and crumb goals is beyond elite for a guy his size. He is unique yet we want to pigeon hole him as a power forward and not play him until his contested mark numbers resemble Richo's.

Bear in mind we were the club stupid enough not to realise how unique Richo was and manacle him to the goal square in his peak years. A fast endurance beast, wasted sitting on the goal line in a team that managed 30 forward 50 entries a game.

 

[blutiga]

McBean is the most natural footballer of the 3. He hits up at the ball carrier, and puts his arms out in front of him. This would be more valuable at AFL level than VFL level, firstly because the ball tends to come in at a lower trajectory and secondly because there are better mids in our seniors to deliver the ball accurately. Stangent talls who don't hit up clog forward lines up. As much as i didn't rate Miller a few years back, i felt our forward line functioned better when he played because he did hit up at the ball carrier. Sometimes we used him, sometimes we used the player who ran into the space he created behind him.
Additionally with McBean, his ability to read the drop of the ball and crumb goals is beyond elite for a guy his size. He is unique yet we want to pigeon hole him as a power forward and not play him until his contested mark numbers resemble Richo's.

We shall see soon enough. Richo was a natural champion from his first game. Only spent a year or less in the two's as well.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Are you for real? I like Corey Menadue and Rioli and I like they are getting games but in many games they are passensgers for large parts of the game.

What they do is provide energy and glimpses of either speed and flair or skills or smarts.

Menadue is running is guts out but in very few of his games has he earnt his keep.




Beanie was actually much more prominent than any of the three mentioned above in his first 6 quarters of AFL and I expect him to adapt and perform quickly but you need a period in which to assess and also for a player to get up to speed and feel confident at the level. This is something our development team have traditionally struggled with unless you are a chosen one like Griff or Morris.

Either I'm writing in Chinese or you're reading in Chinese Lambshanks.
I did mention that the newbies were showing glimpses in their first year out of playing kiddies football, all that can be expected at that stage. About the same as I would have expected from Beanie in his first year.
Beanie now has three years under his belt, for whatever reason he still hasn't shown the coaches enough to claim a regular senior berth, perhaps they see him as far to similar to our struggling current key forwards and are trying to develop a difference in his game.
The issue for him will be performing to a certain level that demands more game time after three years in the system, rather than faffing around with nothing more than a glimpse or cameo n requiring three or four senior games to show some performance. Glimpses n cameos are generally for the youngsters to show everyone what they will be capable of, they're not supposed to be for maturing players.
We already have Ty n Griff frustrating the crap out of coaches n players alike because they keep giving us glimpses n cameos, somehow without quite becoming consistent n reliable players for us. Do we really want another clone in Beanie? If or when he gets some senior game time, he'd want to provide a bit more than just another dose of less than we've already been getting from the other two.

 

[spook]

We shall see soon enough. Richo was a natural champion from his first game. Only spent a year or less in the two's as well.

Eight games. Played 14 senior games for 31 goals in his first year. 19 for 57 in his second. Freak.

Griffens is our most gifted tall. There's nothing he can't do, he just has to do it more consistently, which I reckon he will with continuity.

 

[zgod]

Eight games. Played 14 senior games for 31 goals in his first year. 19 for 57 in his second. Freak.

Griffens is our most gifted tall. There's nothing he can't do, he just has to do it more consistently, which I reckon he will with continuity.

Nah. If he was going to he would have made his move. He is Cleve hughes with an extended run.

 

[spook]

Nah. If he was going to he would have made his move. He is Cleve hughes with an extended run.

He hasn't had an extended run. CONTINUITY. He's never played seven games in a row.

 

[Leysy Days]

At least Vickery and Griff are mediocre at AFL level. I see no sense in replacing them with someone who is mediocre at VFL level, no matter how many of his relatives get on PRE and sprook his values!

A spot is there for someone who really wants it. What a pity nobody seems to want it badly enough.

You normally post Sense Broders. Leysy has one question to your post and wants an honest answer.

If Vickery and Griffiths had been given the stick of VFL every game bar 1.5 matches the past 3 to 4 years how would they have performed and where would they now be as a player?

Very interested in your honest answer?

 

[zgod]

He hasn't had an extended run. CONTINUITY. He's never played seven games in a row.

Griff is a tease. Love him and god damn wish he just started busting packs but continuity or not that doesn't stop you busting packs or having the balls to have a shot from 60 out. So many times last year in a clutch moment Griff would spray from 30 out. He isn't reliable.

 

[Midsy]

Either I'm writing in Chinese or you're reading in Chinese Lambshanks.
I did mention that the newbies were showing glimpses in their first year out of playing kiddies football, all that can be expected at that stage. About the same as I would have expected from Beanie in his first year.
Beanie now has three years under his belt, for whatever reason he still hasn't shown the coaches enough to claim a regular senior berth, perhaps they see him as far to similar to our struggling current key forwards and are trying to develop a difference in his game.
The issue for him will be performing to a certain level that demands more game time after three years in the system, rather than faffing around with nothing more than a glimpse or cameo n requiring three or four senior games to show some performance. Glimpses n cameos are generally for the youngsters to show everyone what they will be capable of, they're not supposed to be for maturing players.
We already have Ty n Griff frustrating the crap out of coaches n players alike because they keep giving us glimpses n cameos, somehow without quite becoming consistent n reliable players for us. Do we really want another clone in Beanie? If or when he gets some senior game time, he'd want to provide a bit more than just another dose of less than we've already been getting from the other two.

Can't agree with the theory behind your post.

Griffiths, and especially Ming, have been ordinary this year, and in previous years. I think we've reached the point where we know what they can give us. We can't go on hoping they're just gonna suddenly become stars.

McBean, at least in terms of goals, has blitzed both of them at VFL level. Why no give him a shot in the seniors? What will we lose? He deserves a shot at it, purely on the basis the other two have failed to grab their opportunities.

Maybe he won't cut the mustard. But neither have the other two. Let's find out.

 

[spook]

Griff is a tease. Love him and god damn wish he just started busting packs but continuity or not that doesn't stop you busting packs or having the balls to have a shot from 60 out. So many times last year in a clutch moment Griff would spray from 30 out. He isn't reliable.

If you're still saying that in 12 months I might agree with you. But absolutely continuity affects every aspect of a player's game. Have a look at Goldstein's poor game tonight after one week off.

 

[Harry]

If "one arm" griffens starts trying to mark with 2 arms then there might be hope.

 

[spook]

If "one arm" griffens starts trying to mark with 2 arms then there might be hope.

You should watch McBean.

 

[Harry]

You should watch McBean.

That's why I want him promoted

 

[spook]

That's why I want him promoted

If the ball was kicked up in the air for Griffens, Vickery and McBean, Griffens would mark more than half of them.

 

[Harry]

If the ball was kicked up in the air for Griffens, Vickery and McBean, Griffens would mark more than half of them.

Is this the same griffens that's usually 10m from the contest or goes up one handed when the ball is kicked to him?

 

[BrisTiger24]

If the ball was kicked up in the air for Griffens, Vickery and McBean, Griffens would mark more than half of them.

In that situation, Vickery would be 10mnfto behind the contest, Griff would be out bustled from the contest by Boomer Harvey, Hampson would come in and look all money to mark it, only to get two hands to the ball and the ball bouncing off the cymbals. McBean would look all the dumb ass talls flying for the mark, stay down and run away with the crumbs