Liam McBean

[spook]

Is this the same griffens that's usually 10m from the contest or goes up one handed when the ball is kicked to him?

It's the same Vickery lurking out the back for a chest mark, and the same McBean whose one-handed efforts in the games I've seen him this year have been pathetic. And I love him.

In that situation, Vickery would be 10mnfto behind the contest, Griff would be out bustled from the contest by Boomer Harvey, Hampson would come in and look all money to mark it, only to get two hands to the ball and the ball bouncing off the cymbals. McBean would look all the dumb ass talls flying for the mark, stay down and run away with the crumbs

:hihi

 

[lamb22]

The issue for him will be performing to a certain level that demands more game time after three years in the system, rather than faffing around with nothing more than a glimpse or cameo.

If you just take a step back and take a deep breath the absurdity of your post might come to you you.

If it doesn't just let me remind you that Liam has kicked 4 goals or more in 7 of his last 16 games.

Griffiths has kicked 4 goals or more TWICE in 7 years.

Liam has succeeded above expectations since game 1 in 2013 when he kicked, surprise, surprise 4.

The premise of your so called point is so out of whack you'd go whackless at a whacker's convention. (apologies to Blackadder)

 

[Rancey18]

If you just take a step back and take a deep breath the absurdity of your post might come to you you.

If it doesn't just let me remind you that Liam has kicked 4 goals or more in 7 of his last 16 games.

Griffiths has kicked 4 goals or more TWICE in 7 years.

Liam has succeeded above expectations since game 1 in 2013 when he kicked, surprise, surprise 4.

The premise of your so called point is so out of whack you'd go whackless at a whacker's convention. (apologies to Blackadder)

It seems some are just posting harsher and harsher comments on McBean to elicit a reaction. I'd just ignore it mate.

 

[Broders]

You normally post Sense Broders. Leysy has one question to your post and wants an honest answer.

If Vickery and Griffiths had been given the stick of VFL every game bar 1.5 matches the past 3 to 4 years how would they have performed and where would they now be as a player?

Very interested in your honest answer?

If you're asking what type of players they would be if only averaging 1.5 games a year for 3 to 4 years the only reasonable answer I could give would be that I would hope they would be playing suburban footy and not still clogging up an AFL list. The mere fact that McBean is still on our list would indicate that he has talent, the fact that he isn't playing regular senior footy indicates something else is missing.

I don't get to see many VFL games any more and work prevents me from getting to training, but I know a life member of the club whose opinion I respect and he told me to forget about McBean because he just doesn't work hard enough.

I can't understand how a talented footballer on the cusp of carving out a career in the AFL wouldn't be working his guts out to make it happen. I don't care who it is, if they don't care enough to give everything they've got and do what the coaches ask of them then they have no business being on our list let alone playing senior footy.

It frustrates me so much because not only are they wasting an opportunity that most of us could only dream of but they are disrespecting the club and ultimately themselves.

I feel certain McBean will be given another chance to prove himself at AFL level before the season is out and I hope he is able to showcase his talent and live up to the adoration he receives on this thread. Nothing would make me happier than to see McBean turn it around and become a 200 game player for the club. Heaven knows we need all our players playing to their fullest potential if we are going to turn this season around.

 

[Merveille]

If you're asking what type of players they would be if only averaging 1.5 games a year for 3 to 4 years the only reasonable answer I could give would be that I would hope they would be playing suburban footy and not still clogging up an AFL list. The mere fact that McBean is still on our list would indicate that he has talent, the fact that he isn't playing regular senior footy indicates something else is missing.

I don't get to see many VFL games any more and work prevents me from getting to training, but I know a life member of the club whose opinion I respect and he told me to forget about McBean because he just doesn't work hard enough.

I can't understand how a talented footballer on the cusp of carving out a career in the AFL wouldn't be working his guts out to make it happen. I don't care who it is, if they don't care enough to give everything they've got and do what the coaches ask of them then they have no business being on our list let alone playing senior footy.

It frustrates me so much because not only are they wasting an opportunity that most of us could only dream of but they are disrespecting the club and ultimately themselves.

I feel certain McBean will be given another chance to prove himself at AFL level before the season is out and I hope he is able to showcase his talent and live up to the adoration he receives on this thread. Nothing would make me happier than to see McBean turn it around and become a 200 game player for the club. Heaven knows we need all our players playing to their fullest potential if we are going to turn this season around.

Given the poor output of Vickery and to a lesser extent Griffiths - not to mention Vickery 's work ethic - once again the apparent double standards in the 'McBean just doesn't work hard enough' line are obvious.

His goal kicking exploits alone, and even the instincts and ability he showed in his minimal AFL opportunities, mean he should have been given more opportunity to experience and adjust to senior footy.

From what I have seen of him, about 12 matches, he has always competed and worked. He doesn't kick as many Joe the Gooses as big Ty, actually I rarely have seen him kick these type of goals.

He works hard offensively, and is a dangerous forward. This is the point being made on here many times - Hardwick just won't entertain a guy whose main strings are attack, goals and smart footy. He prefers the dumber role players. Just like horse trainers prefer non-thinkers for horses, and bosses prefer yes-men employees.

McBean plays the game in a non -Richmond way. I think that is why he gets the love. He is such a natural footballer. At least he was. Now he is probably mostly confused.

He has been rewarded for playing a certain way his whole junior career. Now all of a sudden his methods of helping his team win games is not valued.

 

[Baron Samedi]

yep McBean is everything Dimma instinctively avoids -

dynamic
mercurial
offensively oriented

how about we stop laying blame at Liam's feet and bring in a coach who can maximise his massive potential?

 

[Baron Samedi]

Either I'm writing in Chinese or you're reading in Chinese Lambshanks.

looks like Chinese to me TM.

all your posts are based on the assumption that coaches know what they're doing.

they don't.

 

[Baron Samedi]

the fact that he isn't playing regular senior footy indicates something else is missing.

yep. a coherent game plan that allows forwards to do what they do best.

 

[blx]

If the ball was kicked up in the air for Griffens, Vickery and McBean, Griffens would mark more than half of them.

so maybe we just need new midfielders, you know the kind that turn pea hearts into raging hulks...

 

[TigerMasochist]

If it doesn't just let me remind you that Liam has kicked 4 goals or more in 7 of his last 16 games.

Don't give a rats clacker how many he kicks every week in the magoos, except for the fact that some consistent form n effort " might " get him elevated to the senior team.

I may be mistaken but it appears to me that there's something in the way he goes about his footy the coaches aren't happy with and they won't elevate him to the seniors until he rectifies this issue.
Don't think it's ability, he shows he's got some. So then perhaps it's effort to match his ability, perhaps the coaches simply believe that the likes of Beanie n Lennon are comfortable faffing around expecting to fulfill their careers on natural ability without the desperate hard work required for AFL footy.
The couple of times Beanie has managed a senior game he's been pretty much irrelevant, at least Ty n Griff manage an impact somehow at some stage during their games at senior level regardless of supporters views that they are bludging.
Perhaps the coaches simply don't see any point in trying out a third tall who is content to faff around half paced during games, they've got Ty n Griff backed up by the Hamster in the ruck n don't need any more.

 

[Kaelan]

According to poster on BF Beanie is playing ressies :

 

[Coburgtiger]

Don't give a rats clacker how many he kicks every week in the magoos, except for the fact that some consistent form n effort " might " get him elevated to the senior team.

I may be mistaken but it appears to me that there's something in the way he goes about his footy the coaches aren't happy with and they won't elevate him to the seniors until he rectifies this issue.
Don't think it's ability, he shows he's got some. So then perhaps it's effort to match his ability, perhaps the coaches simply believe that the likes of Beanie n Lennon are comfortable faffing around expecting to fulfill their careers on natural ability without the desperate hard work required for AFL footy.
The couple of times Beanie has managed a senior game he's been pretty much irrelevant, at least Ty n Griff manage an impact somehow at some stage during their games at senior level regardless of supporters views that they are bludging.
Perhaps the coaches simply don't see any point in trying out a third tall who is content to faff around half paced during games, they've got Ty n Griff backed up by the Hamster in the ruck n don't need any more.

TM saying that Beanie 'faffs' about and doesn't show consistent effort is straight up wrong and shows you to be ill informed.

His repeat running, had always been extremely high. In the four games I've seen from him this year, his ability to get to contests has been high. Five tackles last week etc.

The one knock on him prior to this year which I will agree with has been his contested making. Fair enough if that's your criticism. But you're just talking nonsense.

Also idiotic to say that at least at some point in Ty and griffos 150 odd games they were able to show more than Beanie did in 6 quarters.

 

[AngryAnt]

Those six quarters have become a thing of legend in this thread.

I'll tell my grandchildren about those six quarters one day.

 

[Tigerfan]

According to poster on BF Beanie is playing ressies :

True story

 

[Coburgtiger]

Those six quarters have become a thing of legend in this thread.

I'll tell my grandchildren about those six quarters one day.

Your point, antman?

 

[TigerMasochist]

TM saying that Beanie 'faffs' about and doesn't show consistent effort is straight up wrong and shows you to be ill informed.

His repeat running, had always been extremely high. In the four games I've seen from him this year, his ability to get to contests has been high. Five tackles last week etc.

The one knock on him prior to this year which I will agree with has been his contested making. Fair enough if that's your criticism. But you're just talking nonsense.

Also idiotic to say that at least at some point in Ty and griffos 150 odd games they were able to show more than Beanie did in 6 quarters.

Simple then, until such time as Beanie steps up to senior AFL footy n performs whatever roles the coaches want from him, he'll simply be another " Bush champion ". There's a fair gulf between VFL or reserves grade footy, call it what you like. So far he's been a fairly decent reserves forward, plenty of Beanites bag both Griff n Ty but they are playing at a far higher level of match physicality and intensity and probably managing to hold their own in a poor team game. Nothing I've seen from Beanie over the last few years has shown me that he will outperform either Ty or Griff at the higher grade of footy.
Perhaps Beanie might need to invest in a voodoo doll n some very large pins because by the look of things he's unlikely to by pass either player without some spiritual intervention.

 

[UntamedTiger]

Simple then, until such time as Beanie steps up to senior AFL footy n performs whatever roles the coaches want from him, he'll simply be another " Bush champion ". There's a fair gulf between VFL or reserves grade footy, call it what you like. So far he's been a fairly decent reserves forward, plenty of Beanites bag both Griff n Ty but they are playing at a far higher level of match physicality and intensity and probably managing to hold their own in a poor team game. Nothing I've seen from Beanie over the last few years has shown me that he will outperform either Ty or Griff at the higher grade of footy.
Perhaps Beanie might need to invest in a voodoo doll n some very large pins because by the look of things he's unlikely to by pass either player without some spiritual intervention.

How unsurprising. We have posters with the same double standards at play at Punt Road.

If it's OK for SoV and Griff do nothing for the vast majority of the season, then why not let McBean do the same
at AFL level? He'll cost the club far less than the other two in terms of salary cap.

 

[TigerMasochist]

How unsurprising. We have posters with the same double standards at play at Punt Road.

If it's OK for SoV and Griff do nothing for the vast majority of the season, then why not let McBean do the same
at AFL level? He'll cost the club far less than the other two in terms of salary cap.

Beanie got AFL match payments for all of his six quarters of nothing, get's a regular gig at AFL level he'll be wanting a pay rise n still might provide nothing for far more qtrs.
Happy for the Beanster to get senior games, not sure how he's going to get elevated past a mediocre Griff n Ty without one or two of them copping an injury problem. Unlikely he's going to be gifted three or four games in a row to enable him to find a game tempo.

 

[Rancey18]

High level of physicality and Ty should never be placed in the same sentence, unless it is to say that he never provides it.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Beanie got AFL match payments for all of his six quarters of nothing

Crap.