Liam McBean

[lamb22]

I'd like Sin to explain how Griffiths has outperformed Beanie at VFL level when Beanie has kicked 8 bags of 5 goals or more (and is 3 years younger) and Griff has kicked 4 goals once as his highest at any senior level

What exactly am I missing?

 

[TigerMasochist]

I'd like Sin to explain how Griffiths has outperformed Beanie at VFL level when Beanie has kicked 8 bags of 5 goals or more (and is 3 years younger) and Griff has kicked 4 goals once as his highest at any senior level

What exactly am I missing?

I'm only guessing Lambshanks but, perhaps the coaches see Griff as somehow being a utility type player.
Can chop out in the ruck, can drop into the back line n become a hole filling key defender size support, can drift forward and again offer a key forward type capacity, is also mobile, skilled and aerobic enough to play as a tall wing or link type player.
Only one problem is that Griff just doesn't get anywhere near enough involvement in the game, perhaps he's a tad confused as to what role he's supposed to play at what point in the game, or half our players are so busy running around in circles coughing up half metre hand balls that they completely miss him out there.
Beanie on the other hand plays the third medium tall mobile forward type role, currently behind Jaaack, Ty n Lids. I don't believe we currently have anyone capable of playing the dominant power forward type role, even if the faster more attacking game style currently suits the beast forward. Perhaps the coaches doubt Beanies potential to try n cover all aspects as they're hoping Griff can.

 

[Leysy Days]

The vfl team is rubbish is a rubbish reason imo. Good players will find a way to impose themselves, he hasn't.

Sorry Sin. That's rubbish.

You're ability to impact games as a key forward is directly impacted by the amount and quality of your midfield.

Liam has produced for years now behind possibly the most inept and unskilled midfield in the VFL.

What we he be producing at VFL/AFL if he was drafted by Hawthorn?

 

[lamb22]

I'm only guessing Lambshanks but, perhaps the coaches see Griff as somehow being a utility type player.
Can chop out in the ruck, can drop into the back line n become a hole filling key defender size support, can drift forward and again offer a key forward type capacity, is also mobile, skilled and aerobic enough to play as a tall wing or link type player.
Only one problem is that Griff just doesn't get anywhere near enough involvement in the game, perhaps he's a tad confused as to what role he's supposed to play at what point in the game, or half our players are so busy running around in circles coughing up half metre hand balls that they completely miss him out there.
Beanie on the other hand plays the third medium tall mobile forward type role, currently behind Jaaack, Ty n Lids. I don't believe we currently have anyone capable of playing the dominant power forward type role, even if the faster more attacking game style currently suits the beast forward. Perhaps the coaches doubt Beanies potential to try n cover all aspects as they're hoping Griff can.

Fair enough TM, but how is continually picking Griffiths working out for us.

I hear what people say our selectors think.

It's clear they get it wrong a lot especially with Griff and our forward line

How many times do we have to get it wrong before we get it right?

I'd give Griff one last chance in the ruck. He is a fair user so if he got 10 - 12 possessions and competed I'd be happy. If he started to take a few marks down the line and down back and snagged the odd goal - Super!

But forward you need natural forwards and that's what Beanie is. They are actually rare. Not playing one when you get one and they show they can kick lots of goals at the lower level is really mindboggling.

 

[TigerMasochist]

But forward you need natural forwards and that's what Beanie is. They are actually rare. Not playing one when you get one and they show they can kick lots of goals at the lower level is really mindboggling.

That's where I think the problem lies Lamb, Beanies not competing for a spot against Griff. I think he's behind Jaaack, Ty n perhaps Lids simply because at the moment he's really only got forward as his position, Ty's probably the only one he could fudge out of the side n he's got the awkward habit of bobbing up n snagging a couple or three from bugger all possessions. It also doesn't help that we don't really have anyone bar perhaps in a couple of years a Reecey who could play the big structural contested half forward beast, capable of pack marking or breaking to the crumbers advantage.
We might never get to see if Beanie can genuinely cut it at AFL level simply because if Jaaack or Ty look like missing some games we'll then throw utility Griff into the hole to cover rather than promote the Bean n leave Griff somewhere further up the ground.

 

[dusty delivers]

That's where I think the problem lies Lamb, Beanies not competing for a spot against Griff. I think he's behind Jaaack, Ty n perhaps Lids simply because at the moment he's really only got forward as his position, Ty's probably the only one he could fudge out of the side n he's got the awkward habit of bobbing up n snagging a couple or three from bugger all possessions.

Lids? C'mon, that's a bit of a cop out when we've had Morris/Chaplin/Lennon spend time there.

Ty's a bludger, not sure McBean could be worse defensively.

The more smart natural forwards we have there the better.

 

[lamb22]

TM, he was state under age CHB and did Ok.

He is a smart user and decision maker so he can play upfield.

The obvious move to me is ruck Griff and Vickery. Gets them more involved and opens up a spot for Liam. Mcbean for Hampson is a massive upgrade in skill, smarts and efficiency (and also forward pressure ;D).

 

[Tigers of Old]

Harsh. Not rewarded after his 5 goal effort. VFL team hopeless. Not sure that line about Griff consistently outperforming him at VFL level is true.

Pretty obvious really.
Been to some of the VFL games this year. It's not a great environment for tall forwards that's for sure.
They need to work bloody hard to convert from rare, scrappy entries.

 

[Leysy Days]

Exactly ToO.

Key forwards more than anyone are impacted by the quality of play upfield.

 

[jamo]

I would give this kid a year up forward ahead of Vickery any day of the week.

 

[dusty delivers]

TM, he was state under age CHB and did Ok.

He is a smart user and decision maker so he can play upfield.

The obvious move to me is ruck Griff and Vickery. Gets them more involved and opens up a spot for Liam. Mcbean for Hampson is a massive upgrade in skill, smarts and efficiency (and also forward pressure ;D).

The Hampster hasn't been awful but agree they should take a shot at a Griff/Vick ruck duo with Mcbean the tall/small forward.

Reiwoldt/McBean/Llyod with Martin/Lids/Edwards small/mid swapping with Vickery/Griff talls swapping - may just help us kick a winning score

 

[Harry]

I'd like Sin to explain how Griffiths has outperformed Beanie at VFL level when Beanie has kicked 8 bags of 5 goals or more (and is 3 years younger) and Griff has kicked 4 goals once as his highest at any senior level

What exactly am I missing?

that contested mark he took a few weeks ago. it was amazing.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Lids? C'mon, that's a bit of a cop out when we've had Morris/Chaplin/Lennon spend time there.

Beanie's about two n a bit metres tall but all the experts keep claiming he's a mobile medium forward so that's Lids forward role to contend for.
As for Morris n Chappy spending time there, that's purely been a wasted experiment, Lennon's another that should be in a similar medium forward role n he's not coming along all that flash either.

 

[TigerMasochist]

TM, he was state under age CHB and did Ok.

He is a smart user and decision maker so he can play upfield.

Bloody obvious then we should also consider him for a defensive role. Tross could use a chop out, or a replacement while he's been on a bonus holiday.
Chappy's about cooked, *smile*'s struggling, Elton's not even in contention so there's another possible option for the Beanie to aim for.

Needs to pull his finger out n get up the coaches left nostril n annoy them until they pick him, ffs, there's enough holes in our list at the moment Beanie should be ramping up n demanding an opportunity.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Bloody obvious then we should also consider him for a defensive role. Tross could use a chop out, or a replacement while he's been on a bonus holiday.
Chappy's about cooked, *smile*'s struggling, Elton's not even in contention so there's another possible option for the Beanie to aim for.

Needs to pull his finger out n get up the coaches left nostril n annoy them until they pick him, ffs, there's enough holes in our list at the moment Beanie should be ramping up n demanding an opportunity.

So in other words he should continue to do what he's been doing for three years.

 

[Scoop]

Sin I am a fan of your work generally but your post is just nonsence.

Rioli played zero VFL, Corey 2 games, Drummond similar, Menadue a few.

I get that we are despearate for run and silk and they have come at an opportune time.

However Beanie has built his case from day 1. 4 goals on debut. 36 goals in his first 13 games before his injury in game 14.

Second and first in the Frosty miller in 2014 and 2015 despite playing less games than those above or joined with him.

127 goals in 50 games. 38 goals in his last 13 averaging 2 contested mark a game.

There have been so many opportunities to play him and A Edwards, Mcguane, Gordon, Morris, Chaplin Hampson and others have been preferred let alone the invisible Griifiths.

His treatment cannot be justified either in terms of our needs or his development or just on basic equity and common sense grounds.

This is the most common sense post on the entire thread. Well put. But it's still #RIPBEANIE.

 

[nifti]

Put him in the Seniors guarantee him 4 matches then make a decision probably another list clogger.

 

[Sintiger]

Sorry Sin. That's rubbish.

You're ability to impact games as a key forward is directly impacted by the amount and quality of your midfield.

Liam has produced for years now behind possibly the most inept and unskilled midfield in the VFL.

What we he be producing at VFL/AFL if he was drafted by Hawthorn?

So we will see you stop any criticism of Vickery and Griffiths then for the same reason? Vickery's output of 14-15 goals this season is therefore incredible and should be lauded based on that. His supply has been horrible.

I didn't say it had no impact, I said good players find a way to impact. At the moment McBean isn't.

Impose yourself on the game, chase, make a contest and tackle. These are the things that McBean is the poorest at and it's probably why he has not been picked. Stands around trying to be a 202 cm version of Peter Daicos too much which he sometimes succeeds at but not enough.

 

[Sintiger]

I'd like Sin to explain how Griffiths has outperformed Beanie at VFL level when Beanie has kicked 8 bags of 5 goals or more (and is 3 years younger) and Griff has kicked 4 goals once as his highest at any senior level

What exactly am I missing?

Your missing the specific point I made. You are looking at his overall record and I am saying that when he has been confronted with a major opportunity to take a place in the seniors because the team is playing badly and there is a spot for the taking he has been unable to take it.

2 specific examples I have already given. The game that was a virtual play off between him and Griffths in 2014 when Vickery was suspended. Mcbean was poor, Griffiths very good and he got picked and played well for the rest of the season. Again a few weeks ago, Griffiths clearly the better player. This last weekend the same thing.

He needs to want it so much he plays like he is desperate to take it, but it seems he can't.

I am being pushed into sounding like I don't rate the guy which is not true. I just wish he would grab his chance when it is there and show that he wants it. I wish he would actually do what is necessary to be an AFL player, the hard stuff and the easy stuff. If he does we have a player.

 

[year of the tiger]

Your missing the specific point I made. You are looking at his overall record and I am saying that when he has been confronted with a major opportunity to take a place in the seniors because the team is playing badly and there is a spot for the taking he has been unable to take it.

2 specific examples I have already given. The game that was a virtual play off between him and Griffths in 2014 when Vickery was suspended. Mcbean was poor, Griffiths very good and he got picked and played well for the rest of the season. Again a few weeks ago, Griffiths clearly the better player. This last weekend the same thing.

He needs to want it so much he plays like he is desperate to take it, but it seems he can't.

I am being pushed into sounding like I don't rate the guy which is not true. I just wish he would grab his chance when it is there and show that he wants it. I wish he would actually do what is necessary to be an AFL player, the hard stuff and the easy stuff. If he does we have a player.

that's sums up my frsustration in McBean also