Liam McBean

[Brodders17]

i reckon he always look very slow when he doesnt have the ball.
i know some on here reckon defensive pressure is irrelevant for forwards, but i think the fear of him getting run of all day is a big factor keeping him the vfl.

 

[Tigers of Old]

i reckon he always look very slow when he doesnt have the ball.
i know some on here reckon defensive pressure is irrelevant for forwards, but i think the fear of him getting run of all day is a big factor keeping him the vfl.

Good post I have no doubt this is right. McBean is not an athletic freak like Richo or Franklin.
He's a 202 cm beanpole who plays short. Very unusual footballer.

I see Westhoff as his most likely type but he'll have to get a lot better at the contested mark to survive in the AFL.

 

[Jacob2311]

Griff is way ahead of vickery, and vickers is ahead of mcbean, mcbean is too small (weight wise) to play in the big time yet as a power forward.

 

[tigertime2]

McBean wont make it....signs are not good....

 

[WesternTiger]

McBean wont make it....signs are not good....

And which signs would they be for a third year 202cm forward? Has all the signs to suggest he will make it IMO.

 

[Tigertool]

McBean wont make it....signs are not good....

I think most would agree with calls that he's not ready, but no one else would agree with this post.

 

[lamb22]

McBean is not an athletic freak like Richo or Franklin.

Interesting comment. Beanie is not the raw power forward of run, jump and mark (or fumble in Buddy's case) but he outdoes both Richo and Buddy for agility, lateral movement and eye hand co-ordination.

His kicking and handballing skills are cleaner than both as well.

So we do have a bit of a conundrum.

When Liam grows into his body who knows what he will be like. He may lose that agility or he may gain that power forward ability.

All I'm saying and will continue to say is that he should be playing now because he and Richmond will be better with him playing seniors.

 

[Stylo]

Cats supporter on BF reckons McBean stood out as a 'class above' in the praccy game on Sat.

 

[Carter]

The pressure to debut the lad will increase if our three-pronged setup splutters early doors.

I just can't see Jack-Tyrone-Ben working TBH.

If Ty and Ben have quiet games we are two men down.

I think if we allow Ben to run far and wide as well as relief ruck, tell Jack to lead from the square and put McBean into the Gordon role, we're gold. Gold, I tells ya.

How long will it take for Dimma to realize this?

I'm tipping ten rounds.

 

[BloodOath]

For my 2 cents i think Liam should just watch tape after tape of Jack Gunston.

This is where he fits for me.

I would be wrapped if he ends up as good as Gunston.

 

[spook]

The pressure to debut the lad will increase if our three-pronged setup splutters early doors.

I just can't see Jack-Tyrone-Ben working TBH.

If Ty and Ben have quiet games we are two men down.

I think if we allow Ben to run far and wide as well as relief ruck, tell Jack to lead from the square and put McBean into the Gordon role, we're gold. Gold, I tells ya.

How long will it take for Dimma to realize this?

I'm tipping ten rounds.

How long will it take you to realise Jack is no longer a full-forward? Leaving him in the square would repeat the mistakes of the past.

 

[Carter]

How long will it take you to realise Jack is no longer a full-forward? Leaving him in the square would repeat the mistakes of the past.

You're assuming it's still taking half an hour to reach the forward line and is dropped on his head.

Quicker movement means more marks on the lead, spooker.

Plus the whole point of dangerous forwards in McBean and Griffiths is taking the heat away.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

Only have to look at McIntosh. When I saw him last year I gave him 2% chance of making it. 12 months later and it is a different story.

Best thing Beanie can do is stay fit and keep performing at VFL, and he will earn his chance at AFL.

 

[spook]

You're assuming it's taking half an hour to reach the forward line and is dropped on his head.

Quicker movement means more marks on the lead, spooker.

Plus the whole point of dangerous forwards in McBean and Griffiths takes heat away.

I'm all for quicker ball movement. But teams have planned for Jack out of the goal square for six years now. Richmond players are conditioned to kick it to him, even with a third man in front of him and one crashing over the back. Griff and Ty (and Beanie) are very good on the lead. Ty's teammates need to honour his leads more. Jack up the ground will create space for them to lead into, and if he's the one kicking it he'll hit them on the tit. He'll either drag their best defender with him into the midfield or he'll be mismatched when he uses his smarts to find space forward.

Jack now looks as if he has the fitness to be given a roaming commission, all over the ground. I want to see him regularly getting 20+ possessions. He's still good for two goals a game, regardless. If he can do that, and his running holds up, he'll finish a better player than James Hird. Have you seen the nick he's in???

 

[Carter]

I'm all for quicker ball movement. But teams have planned for Jack out of the goal square for six years now. Richmond players are conditioned to kick it to him, even with a third man in front of him and one crashing over the back. Griff and Ty (and Beanie) are very good on the lead. Ty's teammates need to honour his leads more. Jack up the ground will create space for them to lead into, and if he's the one kicking it he'll hit them on the tit. He'll either drag their best defender with him into the midfield or he'll be mismatched when he uses his smarts to find space forward.

Jack now looks as if he has the fitness to be given a roaming commission, all over the ground. I want to see him regularly getting 20+ possessions. He's still good for two goals a game, regardless. If he can do that, and his running holds up, he'll finish a better player than James Hird. Have you seen the nick he's in???

ha ha, yes.

I agree that Jack would be an asset up the field.

his field kicking is *smile*ing superb. so smart.

he traps, he taps, he creates.

wouldn't be a bad result spook.

I just think that if we're fair dinkum about this lightning movement, with handball triangles to break lines, prime movers forward of centre, Jack will find more space than he's ever had.

things might be coming full circle for jumping jack flash.

 

[lamb22]

For my 2 cents i think Liam should just watch tape after tape of Jack Gunston.

This is where he fits for me.

I would be wrapped if he ends up as good as Gunston.

Gunston is a lovely type. Adelaide should re ropeable about how easy it was for him to get to the Hawks. Lovely kick, good smarts.

IMO Liam is much smarter and skilled than Gunston.

 

[lamb22]

Best thing Beanie can do is stay fit and keep performing at VFL, and he will earn his chance at AFL.

Be nice if that were true!

Evidence of the last two years suggests its not.

 

[AngryAnt]

Gunston is a lovely type.

IMO Liam is much smarter and skilled than Gunston.

 

[FitenFitenWin]

IMO Liam is much smarter and skilled than Gunston.

I was wondering who's stable he was born in. 8-

 

[Coburgtiger]

Only have to look at McIntosh. When I saw him last year I gave him 2% chance of making it. 12 months later and it is a different story.

Best thing Beanie can do is stay fit and keep performing at VFL, and he will earn his chance at AFL.

There's a difference of kind, not degree here.

Hardwick will risk a strong, fast, hard at it type who is still working on their disposal/effectiveness, over a skilful, creative, dangerous type who is still working on speed/power.

It's why McIntosh has been allowed more time without the VFL runs under his belt, while McBean was allowed 5 quarters across two pretend games.

It's why Gordon has (until last week) often been selected ahead of Lloyd. (I wonder if Lloyds five goals in three quarters is enough to get him a round 1 spot?)

It's why Morris is playing forward instead of Knights/McDonough.

It doesn't mean Hardwick will never pick the flashy skilful player, it just means if it's a fifty/fifty we know who he'll go with. Which is going to make it hard for McBean. He has to be head and shoulders above every other forward on the list just to be given a chance.

I'd like to see what he can do with a chance. 3 games in a row at full forward.

I still think Vickery will make it, but he's had enough chances for now. Let Vickery prove himself in the VFL, let McBean have a chance to prove himself in the firsts. I absolutely know that we won't be worse off with that as a straight swap. And it actually gives us a chance to see McBean in a proper AFL side.