Liam McBean

[Rfc4Ever]

Agree with this too (something must be wrong).

I went to the last VFL game this year and watched a hamstrung Beanie diligently follow his defender around the ground and put himself out of the contest for three quarters. I watched him shepperd for team mates and tackle his opponent. I watched him position himself in all the defensive position when his greatest strength is positioning himself in attacking positions. The opposition coach would have loved it.

It's like playing Buddy as a full back.

Let Beanie be Beanie, let Arnott smash up his opponent.

That's one game, but if we are going to generalise McBean must be an absolute star if he is doing the above and still almost clunks the VFL goalkicker award with the amount of games he missed.

The main thing is that he has potential and the club has done their due diligence by offering him an extra 2 years to see if he is up to it at AFL level or not.

 

[Carter]

I don't think some realize where McBean is at.

He hasn't been kept in the magoos because we're still waiting for him to prove himself - he is coming along very nicely indeed.

We don't have to "wait" for anything. He will debut in 2015 and continue realising his potential.

It's not a case of if, but when. Same with Jack R when he started in the VFL.

 

[Carter]

I watched him position himself in all the defensive position when his greatest strength is positioning himself in attacking positions. The opposition coach would have loved it.

yeah good point CT.

 

[TJsFurrow]

But he can't just be given carte blanche to get into attacking positions whenever he likes. That's just too easy for other coaches to exploit. Not even Buddy gets that latitude (his defensive game was very good in his last game for the Hawks. Really dished it out, playing high, as he often did then).
I don't mind Beanie rounding off his defensive game in the twos. I'm very bullish about Beanie's skillset translating to the next level, but he can't leak like a sieve. Let's not forget the impact his interrupted preparation would have had on his ability to transition between defensive and offensive positions either. He'll debut soon enough and, hopefully, he'll have the tank and the nous to help prevent slingshots out of half back while still being able to impact offensively.

 

[Carter]

But he can't just be given carte blanche to get into attacking positions whenever he likes. That's just too easy for other coaches to exploit. Not even Buddy gets that latitude (his defensive game was very good in his last game for the Hawks. Really dished it out, playing high, as he often did then).
I don't mind Beanie rounding off his defensive game in the twos. I'm very bullish about Beanie's skillset translating to the next level, but he can't leak like a sieve. Let's not forget the impact his interrupted preparation would have had on his ability to transition between defensive and offensive positions either. He'll debut soon enough and, hopefully, he'll have the tank and the nous to help prevent slingshots out of half back while still being able to impact offensively.

I reckon you can allow one player carte blanche to run forward of the ball TJF.

Dunno what the stats are, but opportunist goals are almost extinct at Punt Rd.

Dusty, Titch perhaps. But to a fault we are mechanical in our avenues to goal. McBean gettin' on the end of 2-3 a game could be the difference between 4-5 and 6-8 in final ladder reckonings.

 

[AngryAnt]

Expectations can take on a life of their own, particularly from those who haven't seen him play.

I prefer to use empirical evidence.

Glad you don't want to trade him though :hihi

'Course not, I have some faith, but I am a sceptic by nature.

 

[AngryAnt]

Cop that antman!

My position is that we don't know how well he will perform at senior level is based on the lack of empirical evidence we have of his performance at senior level.

ie. we have a sample size of zero on his performance at senior level.

This is, in itself, empirical evidence

 

[wigglyworm]

Actually we have a sample size of 1 in a NAB cup game. I think he had one possetion over a half of footy. Mind you he had Frawley sitting on him for the entire game.

 

[tigertim]

My position is that we don't know how well he will perform at senior level is based on the lack of empirical evidence we have of his performance at senior level.

ie. we have a sample size of zero on his performance at senior level.

This is, in itself, empirical evidence

The VFL is senior level isn't it?

 

[AngryAnt]

Actually we have a sample size of 1 in a NAB cup game. I think he had one possetion over a half of footy. Mind you he had Frawley sitting on him for the entire game.

Noted.

If he's as cherry-ripe as Cartman suggests he is, I'm sure he'll get extended run outs in the NAB bucket next year. Sample size would increase.

 

[Carter]

My position is that we don't know how well he will perform at senior level is based on the lack of empirical evidence we have of his performance at senior level.

ie. we have a sample size of zero on his performance at senior level.

This is, in itself, empirical evidence

The point is that he has demonstrated traits that are readily transferable to AFL level.

Some players impress at VFL level by knocking up 25 possessions a week. You wonder if they can do that at AFL level. Other players have no problem monstering opponents in the magoos. You question whether they will do that if promoted.

The empirical evidence on McBean - his agility, nous, goal sense, lovely kicking action and all round football smarts - strongly suggests that his ceiling is high. He doesn't need to dominate the VFL, or indeed play X senior games a year, to demonstrate this.

Not only that, but some of his more intangible traits stand to be enhanced in the rarefied air of the elite level.

The presumption that AFL exposure is required to form an opinion / expectation on his long term prospects is erroneous.

 

[rhul]

My position is [sic] that we don't know how well he will perform at senior level is based on the lack of empirical evidence we have of his performance at senior level.

And what a brilliant position it is, too.

Hang on, I think I'm getting a hang of your logic. For example: we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow because it hasn't happened yet. Am I getting it? Watch out internet forums, here I come!

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Dimma is pretty happy with his development and I am sure we will see a fair bit of him next year.

 

[Sintiger]

Normally I would agree Sin but McBean is a special case.

I am loathe to see him instructed to trap the ball in the forward line to maintain possession.

I would see him run forward of the ball, create scoring opportunities for himself, use his smarts, his guile, his amazing goal sense.

He reminds me of Buddy.

Perhaps not as athletic or imperious, but our version of Buddy but with more grunt and leadership.

Let's enjoy McJesus, not stifle him.

I am for players with flair being allowed to use it but he can't be a witch's hat these days especially when defences have the plus one.
The marking comment from Clark was that he is quick , agile and big and he should take more marks. Don't just be a 200 cm rover because he can be more than that!

 

[Giardiasis]

My position is that we don't know how well he will perform at senior level is based on the lack of empirical evidence we have of his performance at senior level.

ie. we have a sample size of zero on his performance at senior level.

This is, in itself, empirical evidence

;D

 

[AngryAnt]

And what a brilliant position it is, too.

Hang on, I think I'm getting a hang of your logic. For example: we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow because it hasn't happened yet. Am I getting it? Watch out internet forums, here I come!

Not quite bro, in plain English I'm just saying I'm not going to anoint McJesus as the second coming until he actually kicks a few goals in the seniors.

Not unreasonable is it? :hihi

 

[lamb22]

I think supporters should be banned from talking about pre season games as if they mean anything.

 

[lamb22]

Not quite bro, in plain English I'm just saying I'm not going to anoint McJesus as the second coming until he actually kicks a few goals in the seniors.

Not unreasonable is it? :hihi

Very reasonable but it wont stop me calling you a non believer and heretic when Liam eventually ascends.

;D

 

[AngryAnt]

Very reasonable but it wont stop me calling you a non believer and heretic when Liam eventually ascends.

;D

If and when that joyous day comes I will do my penance willingly and hope our savior can find it in his heart to forgive me

 

[Brodders17]

I think supporters should be banned from talking about pre season games as if they mean anything.

true. it is utterly ridiculous.