Liam McBean | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
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Liam McBean

lamb22 said:
You know Carter will hate me for this but Beanie is actually better off at another club.

I went to see the game at Punt Road on Sunday and looked closely at Beanie and he was doing all the things that the coaches have asked of him. Defensive running, dropping back in defence, unrewarded running, covering loose men in attack as they moved forward.

It came to me that Beanie is being Richmondised He is being "high percentaged' in his football.. Beanie had two great gifts when he arrived. (1) The ability to read the play and anticipate where the ball will go and (2) great skills including the freakish (low percentage for mortals) goals.

I read that Richmond want Liam to simplify his game to defend , mark , kick (or WTTE).

Well Liam has already simplified the first part of his game in actually running to where everyone else is rather than where he expects the ball to be. This is a tick for Richmond and a halving of Liam's possessions in scoring spots.

Unfortunately his skill set is first class but I am sure we will have him chipping the ball sideways in no time and like Jack being castigated if he scores too many goals.

Yep, If I was Beanie I'd ask for a transfer to the Cats and be revered like Stevie J is rather than frowned upon for not playing the Richmond way!
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I hate to say it, due to the sentiment, bu I have to agree with most of that Lamb. McHeyzeus should be 1. given free range to work on, and improve, his natural game and then 2. Instructed on how to incorporate the defensive elements required.

I too worry the emphasis is not thus.
 
lamb22 said:
Chappy thought the same rules applied in the last and got caught out when Spencer dropped out the back.
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Spencer arsed a couple of cheapies when he was way to stuffed to bother following up the play n had a kip all on his own in his ten metre square. Couple of turnovers in our forward line went coast to coast n the Sainters cheer squad had to wake Spencer up so he could play lone man in the Saints entire forward half.
It's an absolute pet hate of mine that sides play 18 on 18 in less than half the ground n when there's a turnover a team has to spend ten minutes playing ring a rosie with the pill while some fool tries to run a hundred metre sprint to try and provide a release into the forward line.
All teams should always have at least one player strolling around their forward half at all times, purely for the coast to coast possibility. Spencer got lucky, coz he was napping n Chappy got caught out coz he disrespected the opposition n refused to consider the rebound possibility.
 
Tigers of Old said:
We'll agree to disagree. White had 6 touches for the day and a couple of junk time goals are no case for an argument. Chaplin dominated him.
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You are being deliberately obtuse Oldie.

This is not an argument about whether Chappy or White won the duel (although I wouldn't gloat if a first gamer kicked 3 in a half on me).

Spencer was obviously nervous, missed a few clunks with hard hands and basically just played percentage football in the first half.

Once he took that very good mark half way through the third the shackles came off and he played on instinct, tried to run Grimes off his feet and Dylan brilliantly caught him, then snuck away for a couple more goals.

Looks a clone of Buddy including the hard hands.

BTW we need Spencer to up the ante game 2, just in case Saturday doesn't quite work out for us.
 
K3 said:
I hate to say it, due to the sentiment, bu I have to agree with most of that Lamb. McHeyzeus should be 1. given free range to work on, and improve, his natural game and then 2. Instructed on how to incorporate the defensive elements required.

I too worry the emphasis is not thus.
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Yep, that's all I'm saying.

Dont ignore defence, but don't kill the goose at the same time.
 
Geez, some hard task markers on White. Kicks 3 on debut. If McBean kicked 3 on debut this thread would be in melt down.
 
White had 1 possession to half time. Had a couple of 'hang at the back' goals gifted to him in the last when the Tigers were just simply in slow motion. Other than that he was totally pantsed and had a poor game. But it was his first game so you couldn't possibly expect to much anyway. Saints are blooding youngsters as they should. It's all an experience for them. As for saying McBean should go to another club because he'd do better there is just ridiculous. He's progressing beautifully. Had a few injuries to contend with and will undoubtedly get his fair go next year barring injury. Looking forward to McBean in 2015.
 
lamb22 said:
Spencer White got two goals out the back in the last quarter when he stayed back and let Chappy go his own way.

Was that bad play?
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Those goals from White were very Buddy like. White blanketly refused to chase his man. Lazy stuff. He got one or two but if his opponent knows he's lazy he will get killed over the course of his AFL career.
 
Tigers of Old said:
We'll agree to disagree. White had 6 touches for the day and a couple of junk time goals are no case for an argument. Chaplin dominated him.
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I reckon I could kick 3 on Chaplin when he is chasing kicks in the centre circle. I hate it when we push that deep forward, we don't score easily when our last line of defence is forward of centre and we get easily scored against.
 
BrisTiger24 said:
Those goals from White were very Buddy like. White blanketly refused to chase his man. Lazy stuff. He got one or two but if his opponent knows he's lazy he will get killed over the course of his AFL career.
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Like Buddy?
 
lamb22 said:
St Kilda outscored us 5 goals to 2 in the last, the quarter in which White backed his instincts as he got confident, so NO!.
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Don't know about backing his instincts. I reckon it was more a case of too knackered to chase.
 
lamb22 said:
You know Carter will hate me for this but Beanie is actually better off at another club.

I went to see the game at Punt Road on Sunday and looked closely at Beanie and he was doing all the things that the coaches have asked of him. Defensive running, dropping back in defence, unrewarded running, covering loose men in attack as they moved forward.

It came to me that Beanie is being Richmondised He is being "high percentaged' in his football.. Beanie had two great gifts when he arrived. (1) The ability to read the play and anticipate where the ball will go and (2) great skills including the freakish (low percentage for mortals) goals.

I read that Richmond want Liam to simplify his game to defend , mark , kick (or WTTE).

Well Liam has already simplified the first part of his game in actually running to where everyone else is rather than where he expects the ball to be. This is a tick for Richmond and a halving of Liam's possessions in scoring spots.

Unfortunately his skill set is first class but I am sure we will have him chipping the ball sideways in no time and like Jack being castigated if he scores too many goals.

Yep, If I was Beanie I'd ask for a transfer to the Cats and be revered like Stevie J is rather than frowned upon for not playing the Richmond way!
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Unfort I agree with you mate. I'm surprised he hasn't played CHB in ressies like we do all our natural fwds.
Next year he has to be taken out of the under par reserve team and start learning and playing at the standard we require him to star at, afl. Not saying every game yeah rest him here n there but most games for him should be at afl esp early and esp if he starts showing his true potential in the early ones.
 
White was always a massive project, to get this far the Saints have done exceptionally well. As a junior he was hot & cold, I don't expect anything different now he's hit the big time. The potential has always been there, now for the hard yards.
 
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He should have had a taste by now, is all Beaners are on about. Last year against GWS was the time. We won by 20 goals and he did his ankle in a VFL paddock. Regardless, he should have got a game this year.

I can't wait to see him on the G.
 
spook said:
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He should have had a taste by now, is all Beaners are on about. Last year against GWS was the time. We won by 20 goals and he did his ankle in a VFL paddock. Regardless, he should have got a game this year.

I can't wait to see him on the G.
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Bring him in against Port as a shock trooper :)
 
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