Liam McBean

[Carter]

Why throw him to the wolves? He's not ready IMO

yeah fair enough Stylo. prevailing opinion no doubt! ;D

 

[Carter]

ignore remember, ignore. Especially when you keep making things up.

I'll ignore alright -- once we've settled your opinion on McBean.

You see, I know why you are yet to provide an opinion on whether this player is exceptional or less than.

It's because you haven't seen him.

No, not once a year when VFL is televised, but in the flesh.

Which makes your original view that Beanie should be moth-balled from the seniors invalid.

But keep throwing paint at the wall without having the faintest idea what you're talking about. Some of it is bound to stick champ :hihi

 

[tigertim]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Liam play v SAints.

 

[Baloo]

I'll ignore alright -- once we've settled your opinion on McBean.

You see, I know why you are yet to provide an opinion on whether this player is exceptional or less than.

It's because you haven't seen him.

No, not once a year when VFL is televised, but in the flesh.

Which makes your original view that Beanie should be moth-balled from the seniors invalid.

But keep throwing paint at the wall without having the faintest idea what you're talking about. Some of it is bound to stick champ :hihi

Well done, just took you 3 guesses to understand my position.

Now what of what I posted is invalidated by the fact I haven't seen him play ?

We're still in the hunt. Lets not bring in inexperienced skinny kids unless we really have too.

Whether he debuts this year or next is immaterial in the grand scheme of things

 

[Carter]

Well done, just took you 3 guesses to understand my position.

Now what of what I posted is invalidated by the fact I haven't seen him play ?

How could you possibly make a call on selection, and by extension our team's prospects of winning games, without having seen the candidates for promotion?

Laughable.

But thanks for admitting you haven't seen diddly squat.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

This is like watching The Bachelor, but the producers have brought in Amber's twin.

 

[Baloo]

This is like watching The Bachelor, but the producers have brought in Amber's twin.

It certainly is pandering to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Carter]

It certainly is pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Nice evasion. Thanks for playing.

 

[Baloo]

Nice evasion. Thanks for playing.

What evasion. You've made it known that you don't feel anyone can have an opinion unless they have watched the subject live, regularly.

Nothing more to say really and I'm happy to let that hang there and we can go on our merry way.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

 

[tigerlove]

Seems so far that the Richmond hierarchy agree with those who think McBean shouldn't play seniors this year, even with those who haven't seen him play in flesh and therefore should not be allowed an opinion

 

[fastin bulbous]

It certainly is pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Hey! That's me!

 

[Coburgtiger]

sorry CT but that is unmitigated slime.

you know full well my point doesn't hinge on doing what Essendon does. the point is we can accommodate Beanie with the right setup.

and joe daniher hasn't set the world on fire but he's gotten a bunch of senior games this season. don't think he's as good as Beanie but he's going ok.

his coach believes in AFL exposure.

next?

Unmitigated slime?

What are you referring to, my point, or Essendon?

Okay, let's see where we went wrong here.

You implied, at the beginning of your post, Hardwick doesn't care whether Beanie is ready or not, he's more concerned about his clog. Or is it his push broom defence now? Or maybe it's his metamorphic sludge. Or his brick leg attack. Or whatever other colourful metaphor you're bagging Dimma with nowadays.

Anyway, you suggested the reason Beanie's not playing has nothing to do with the fact that he's body isn't ready for AFL. Then pointed, as evidence, to the fact that Essendon are playing Daniher.

Essendon have proven comprehensively that they don't give a stuff what happens to their players physically. They've got proven form in risking player welfare to speed up playing development, AND Daniher's suffered an impact injury which has put him out of the game and hampered his form/confidence/current level of development. I would think all of that is fairly central to any comparisons with Beanie's/Daniher's respective situations.

But yeah. Unmitigated slime.

FWIW, I think Beanie should be playing too. But Daniher and Essendon are the worst possibly example to be looking at. Especially as a sideways swipe at trying to sandwich the situation into your Anti-Dimma agenda.

 

[Carter]

Unmitigated slime?

What are you referring to, my point, or Essendon?

Okay, let's see where we went wrong here.

You implied, at the beginning of your post, Hardwick doesn't care whether Beanie is ready or not, he's more concerned about his clog. Or is it his push broom defence now? Or maybe it's his metamorphic sludge. Or his brick leg attack. Or whatever other colourful metaphor you're bagging Dimma with nowadays.

Anyway, you suggested the reason Beanie's not playing has nothing to do with the fact that he's body isn't ready for AFL. Then pointed, as evidence, to the fact that Essendon are playing Daniher.

Essendon have proven comprehensively that they don't give a stuff what happens to their players physically. They've got proven form in risking player welfare to speed up playing development, AND Daniher's suffered an impact injury which has put him out of the game and hampered his form/confidence/current level of development. I would think all of that is fairly central to any comparisons with Beanie's/Daniher's respective situations.

But yeah. Unmitigated slime.

FWIW, I think Beanie should be playing too. But Daniher and Essendon are the worst possibly example to be looking at. Especially as a sideways swipe at trying to sandwich the situation into your Anti-Dimma agenda.

Yeah -- slime. Ebola slime.

In all that guff I don't think you addressed the argument. That unlike Essendon, Geelong, etc, you know, other clubs, Dimma doesn't believe in AFL exposure for key forwards like Beanie.

Exciting, precocious key forwards.

You can't tell me Daniher isn't better off for his exposure in 2014.

Pointing out Essendon's drug regime is mere distraction.

But carry on, I'm having fun in here.

 

[Rancey18]

If we lose tomorrow, then Beanie to come in and play against the Saints.

Othwrwise, have no problems with him getting another preseason under his belt and pushing his case for Round 1 next year.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Yeah -- slime. Ebola slime.

In all that guff I don't think you addressed the argument. That unlike Essendon, Geelong, etc, you know, other clubs, Dimma doesn't believe in AFL exposure for key forwards like Beanie.

Exciting, precocious key forwards.

You can't tell me Daniher isn't better off for his exposure in 2014.

Pointing out Essendon's drug regime is mere distraction.

But carry on, I'm having fun in here.

Ha Ebola slime.

I'm really glad that's not a thing, sounds kinda terrifying.

Also, you reckon I'm distracting? You're the one fluffing about with actual nonsense. At least what I said was true.

unlike Essendon, Geelong, etc, you know, other clubs, Dimma doesn't believe in AFL exposure for key forwards like Beanie.

Just, so, no.

Already pointed out that we should never ever ever follow what Essendon thinks is right for its players. Essendon are gross. From administration, all the way to the coach, the fact that they don't give a stuff about their players is not just a side issue with supplements, it's a philosophy of horribleness that we should stay away from.

As for Geelong... Shane Kersten anyone? Recruited in 2011, Kicked 70 odd goals in two seasons in the VFL, and didn't debut till round 14 this year. He was injured as he was about to debut at the end of 2013 (but so was Beanie).

Also, the vitriolic syphilis slime about Dimma "not believing in exposure for precocious young key forwards" is just actual nonsense. There's only been one key forward pushing for selection and it's Beanie. I really don't think Dimma has some random belief about hating Key Forwards. He's played Griff forward, played Lloyd forward when he's deserved it, played TV forward... who else has he held back? Other than the guy we recruited at 75 kilos and 204 cm?

Once again, I think Beanie should be playing on form, but trying to tie this in to your "Demon-Dimma" witch hunt is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Carter]

Ha Ebola slime.

I'm really glad that's not a thing, sounds kinda terrifying.

Also, you reckon I'm distracting? You're the one fluffing about with actual nonsense. At least what I said was true.


Just, so, no.

Already pointed out that we should never ever ever follow what Essendon thinks is right for its players. Essendon are gross. From administration, all the way to the coach, the fact that they don't give a stuff about their players is not just a side issue with supplements, it's a philosophy of horribleness that we should stay away from.

As for Geelong... Shane Kersten anyone? Recruited in 2011, Kicked 70 odd goals in two seasons in the VFL, and didn't debut till round 14 this year. He was injured as he was about to debut at the end of 2013 (but so was Beanie).

Also, the vitriolic syphilis slime about Dimma "not believing in exposure for precocious young key forwards" is just actual nonsense. There's only been one key forward pushing for selection and it's Beanie. I really don't think Dimma has some random belief about hating Key Forwards. He's played Griff forward, played Lloyd forward when he's deserved it, played TV forward... who else has he held back? Other than the guy we recruited at 75 kilos and 204 cm?

Once again, I think Beanie should be playing on form, but trying to tie this in to your "Demon-Dimma" witch hunt is a bit of a stretch.

Our game plan is built around one actual useable key forward.

That's why Beanie hasn't debuted yet. Period.

Agree with Kersten, was referring more to their model of weaving kids into the mix.

Griffiths was dropped unfairly at times this season. I'd like a look at Elton.

Why shouldn't Dimma's contempt of forwards not be attached to the non-selection of Beanie?

One of the few times we have played a proper forward line was on Friday night.

By god McBean would look good down there. Especially as Dimma has released the shackles and we are now going helter skelter.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Our game plan is built around one actual useable key forward.

That's why Beanie hasn't debuted yet. Period.

Incorrect. We've been trying to play two key forwards all year, but neither TV or Griff have set the world on fire. The plan at the start of the year was to have three. But if you say Period, then, it must be so!

Agree with Kersten, was referring more to their model of weaving kids into the mix.

All responsible (obviously excluding Essendon) clubs take a slowly slowly approach with tall forwards. It's not a Dimma hates us thing.

Griffiths was dropped unfairly at times this season. I'd like a look at Elton.

Griff's still been given chances. He's been dropped when not performing. As for Elton, I agree, maybe, if we have the luxury of experimenting. But he's hardly beating the door down.

Why shouldn't Dimma's contempt of forwards not be attached to the non-selection of Beanie?

Because it's not a thing.

One of the few times we have played a proper forward line was on Friday night.

By god McBean would look good down there. Especially as Dimma has released the shackles and we are now going helter skelter.

Agree.

 

[Carter]

Incorrect. We've been trying to play two key forwards all year, but neither TV or Griff have set the world on fire. The plan at the start of the year was to have three. But if you say Period, then, it must be so!

All responsible (obviously excluding Essendon) clubs take a slowly slowly approach with tall forwards. It's not a Dimma hates us thing.

Griff's still been given chances. He's been dropped when not performing. As for Elton, I agree, maybe, if we have the luxury of experimenting. But he's hardly beating the door down.
Because it's not a thing.


Agree.

Rubbish, our second tall forward has been getting lost in the clog most games because Dimma wants them high.

Griffiths paid the price for a pathetic game plan. So did Vickery to an extent, but his lack of ticker sealed the deal.

Riewoldt battled manfully because he has canny ground skills. But most of the time he was a trapper to create stoppages.

Dimma doesn't like fast ball in transition. Therefore he doesn't like forward space. Therefore key forwards are shoved into the attic like gimps. Same at VFL level.

We might be flying now but the coaching staff have much to answer for.

Don't pretend we have had a functional forward line.

And if you agree that we haven't, don't blame the key forwards. It doesn't become you.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Rubbish, our second tall forward has been getting lost in the clog most games because Dimma wants them high.

Griffiths paid the price for a pathetic game plan. So did Vickery to an extent, but his lack of ticker sealed the deal.

Riewoldt battled manfully because he has canny ground skills. But most of the time he was a trapper to create stoppages.

Dimma doesn't like fast ball in transition. Therefore he doesn't like forward space. Therefore key forwards are shoved into the attic like gimps. Same at VFL level.

We might be flying now but the coaching staff have much to answer for.

Don't pretend we have had a functional forward line.

And if you agree that we haven't, don't blame the key forwards. It doesn't become you.

Woah, Carter, gone with the scatter gun approach there.

Grumpy grumpy.