Lol the richmond way has not won a thing for 4 years and it has progressively gone backwards. Lucky for us a two win season and the worst in club history probably means we have bottomed out. Or have we?
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Kamdyn McIntosh
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Firstly I didn't say we HAD to bring in a State Player but I'd rather one than keeping Mcintosh. Who is to say that the mature age player you bring in doesn't set even better standards for the youngsters than Kamdyn may? As I mentioned earlier we have plenty of players left that can guide our youngsters and set the standards. How many do we need? Lynch, Prestia, Broad, Vloss, Nank, Short, Taranto and Balta. Plenty there.
By all reports Naismith was an absolute ripper of a bloke and fit right in to our ways. It is possible that there are other people out there that have the same beliefs and standards as those at our club now. So we don't even entertain the idea of bringing in a 24-25 year old that can also set high standards and contribute to the culture but also have a very positive effect on the football field come game day? We just keep a guy around who is great for culture but struggles to have any impact on the field. How is the list supposed to improve. I'd rather a Davidson than Kamdyn atm.
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Next year could and most possibly will be as bad.Lol the richmond way has not won a thing for 4 years and it has progressively gone backwards. Lucky for us a two win season and the worst in club history probably means we have bottomed out. Or have we?
With or without McKintosh.
We’ve lost Martin, Pickett, Grimes, Baker, Bolton, Rioli, Graham.
I’m surprised some on here aren’t screaming for us to cut Prestia and Lynch who can’t get on the park and are costing us a fortune.
Ah that’s right, they’re not whipping boys.
There’s no quick fix but we’re heading in the right direction with our draft haul. And yet the same blokes come on here slagging off a champion clubman because they need someone or something to hate.
You clearly don't watch or respect the role he plays on and off the field. He may not be best 22 anymore, and I agree with those that say if its lineball you play the younger guy which is why I would have Banks and Hugo as my starting wings, but to see Kmac plays every role poorly, and quite frankly being disrespectful in calling him a dud is showing your complete and utter ignorance of the role that he plays onfield, and for a lot of next year off it as well.
But whatever, keep potting a life member of our club like that if it makes you feel better.
I don’t often agree with those asking why we kept kamdyn, but the points they make, albeit sometimes in a derogatory way are reasonable. If a player is past it in a professional sport there really isn’t much room for keeping them around. NFL is ruthless. I’m not sure any are arguing he is best 22.
Some weak arguments for why you might keep a depth player when not in contention.
- Maybe the father son as a long term play is not completely unreasonable (doesn’t apply here though)
- We still have leadership that can set the culture but potentially kamdyn is one of those that can connect the different generations with his shenanigans - that would be valuable effectively enabling development.
I went to games live last year - he certainly wasn’t the running force I recall.
Some weak arguments for why you might keep a depth player when not in contention.
- Maybe the father son as a long term play is not completely unreasonable (doesn’t apply here though)
- We still have leadership that can set the culture but potentially kamdyn is one of those that can connect the different generations with his shenanigans - that would be valuable effectively enabling development.
I went to games live last year - he certainly wasn’t the running force I recall.
If he's the last player on the list, I'd rather him, as a 10yr multi-Premiership winning, Cotch/Jack/Dusty/Dimma taught, hard running freak, who did everything possible to get the best out of himself, than someone who's been running around in the VFL wondering why he isn't getting a go at the big time.
Lots of footy IQ in that bald bonce of his.
Lots of footy IQ in that bald bonce of his.
Kmac throughout his career has always averaged around the bottom 8 of the main team and even missed the 2019 Premiership team.
His major weakness throughout his career has been his DE as it’s horrendous, but with our chaos footy game plan and around eight A graders to elite footballers it was not as obvious or destructive to the team. Our closing speed on the ball or opposition either locked the ball in for a stoppage where Kmac types were able to reset again or the classier guys busted the ball out and moved it up field for us. As we’ve fallen off the cliff the last few years with retirements of the champs KMac’s disposal looks tragically worse as it can’t be compensated for as the quality is no longer there. The other issue has been our list management focused too much on slower BBMF and he with Graham and Hopper were all similar types. Then add a declining and slower Prestia, Cotchin, Martin and the addition of a slow TT we basically shot ourselves in the foot with where the game has headed since our last premiership.
I think this draft where I’m hoping to pick up four electric and classy midfielders may actually benefit Kmac and Hopper as these guys will swarm and run with them and rather than relying on their poor foot skills they can handball it to them more often. Then these kids will use the ball better. It’s going to be a work in progress, but I’m hoping that by mid season we will see the fruits of it, a bit like Hardwick’s first season.
I was against Kmac getting another season, but when I analysed his career from even as a kid at Coburg it was evident his commitment was always there. He was always going to be a bottom eight man and needed quality around him to support his hard work.
With Campbell, Green, Smith , KMac2 plus the new kids on the block I think we may see a refreshed Kmac and Hopper next year.
We’ve got to move away from drafting the lumbering RCD, Graham types as well as the slow undersized mids like Dow and start identifying the modern day powerful mids with better skills and faster by both feet and hands. We can’t have a list of 40 plus stars and like 2010 -20 side we have to find gems like Houli, Grimes , Lambert, even Castagna, Baker etc etc that can play supporting roles to our superstars like Riewoldt, Cotchin, Martin, Edwards ,Lynch , Prestia and Rance.
His major weakness throughout his career has been his DE as it’s horrendous, but with our chaos footy game plan and around eight A graders to elite footballers it was not as obvious or destructive to the team. Our closing speed on the ball or opposition either locked the ball in for a stoppage where Kmac types were able to reset again or the classier guys busted the ball out and moved it up field for us. As we’ve fallen off the cliff the last few years with retirements of the champs KMac’s disposal looks tragically worse as it can’t be compensated for as the quality is no longer there. The other issue has been our list management focused too much on slower BBMF and he with Graham and Hopper were all similar types. Then add a declining and slower Prestia, Cotchin, Martin and the addition of a slow TT we basically shot ourselves in the foot with where the game has headed since our last premiership.
I think this draft where I’m hoping to pick up four electric and classy midfielders may actually benefit Kmac and Hopper as these guys will swarm and run with them and rather than relying on their poor foot skills they can handball it to them more often. Then these kids will use the ball better. It’s going to be a work in progress, but I’m hoping that by mid season we will see the fruits of it, a bit like Hardwick’s first season.
I was against Kmac getting another season, but when I analysed his career from even as a kid at Coburg it was evident his commitment was always there. He was always going to be a bottom eight man and needed quality around him to support his hard work.
With Campbell, Green, Smith , KMac2 plus the new kids on the block I think we may see a refreshed Kmac and Hopper next year.
We’ve got to move away from drafting the lumbering RCD, Graham types as well as the slow undersized mids like Dow and start identifying the modern day powerful mids with better skills and faster by both feet and hands. We can’t have a list of 40 plus stars and like 2010 -20 side we have to find gems like Houli, Grimes , Lambert, even Castagna, Baker etc etc that can play supporting roles to our superstars like Riewoldt, Cotchin, Martin, Edwards ,Lynch , Prestia and Rance.
I have always been a big supporter of KMac so no agendas here.
We know Kam will give his all but post 30 will likely be just a little bit worse than he was this year.
Is being a great guy enough in a period of a rebuild? It's certainly not going to help us improve any on field if he's not playing.
Hate to say it with a two time premiership player but right now he's in list clogger territory.
Rather use the spot to try and unearth a player who can take us forward.
We know Kam will give his all but post 30 will likely be just a little bit worse than he was this year.
Is being a great guy enough in a period of a rebuild? It's certainly not going to help us improve any on field if he's not playing.
Hate to say it with a two time premiership player but right now he's in list clogger territory.
Rather use the spot to try and unearth a player who can take us forward.
Simple question. If you had to choose between Kmac and giving a spot on the list to Davidson who would you choose? Keeping a player around simply because he sets good standards is crazy when you are trying to rebuild your list. With that mindset we should have kept George around for a few more years. Cotch and Jack should have kept playing for another few years. If we are relying on a 30+ year old who's best footy is way past him to continue to set the standards for youngsters at our footy club then we are in bigger trouble than we think. Coaches should be setting the standards and pushing both young and old to continuously reach their best.
The coaches openly state that they need 1 or 2 utility types to "plug and play" as needed. Marlion was the preferred option for much of last year, wing, ruck, forward etc. KMac is seen as the next best option. Apart from KMac I can't see another "utility" type on the list at the moment. Maybe Trezise or Bauer but those of those two look like they're being settled in one position for now to help them "step up". Gray could be another option if he makes the grade.
So just on that type need I see KMac as being needed for 2025. Hopefully more VFL and sub but can play as needed in the one's.
So just on that type need I see KMac as being needed for 2025. Hopefully more VFL and sub but can play as needed in the one's.
I'm an unabashed fan of KMac but like all of us, age is catching him. Unfortuantely, this will bring out the worst in the Richmond supporters who have him on their whipping boy radar
very well said. Some people never address what is being said.
The simple truth is he is not performing as a player. but hey lets keep him he is a ripping bloke.
If he is such a good clubman keep him around the club in some sort of role but get him off the list.
Its funny if you say a player is no longer playing well enough to be kept!!!! then he is a whipping boy and those saying it are just haters.
It borders on childishness.
The bottom line is Davidson is a better onfield option than McIntosh. There are others.
The reason people don't have a go at Lynch and Prestia is they both still perform to a reasonable level when fit, and there is no real replacements for them. We are so short of mids that we may well keep Thomson bloody Dow. Now that is dire.
We keep Lynchy because atm he is the only proven kpf we have of proven quality.
McIntosh well he has dropped so far below the level he cops criticism and there are 21 22 23 year olds who we can give games to in what ever role he plays.
Its just my opinion but more poor list management.
Im not commenting on what he used to be able to do reasonably. He quite clearly is playing like a dud with very little value as a player.
I have no interest in the past i want what is best for us on field now.
You on the other hand cannot be objective in any way because you cling to the past like its some sort of life line.
Last one we actually have 21 22 23 year olds screaming out for a game in every role McIntosh can play. Last time i looked we won just two games with an ageing list if we cannot delist 30 plus year old underperformers when we need to then it is going to be a long old rebuild.
Give me one good footy reason why we should keep him other than your stupid sub theory.
Oh and don't fret yourself im going to pot any player who performs as badly as your sub.
He's being kept for one year. In a period of huge player turnover. He will show the colts exactly what is required during preseason. He will set standard as he has always done on the training track. He will show the commitment required to get the most out of his ability. He will show humility when younger players are picked in front of him....but he will be there when we need him to plug holes in a number of positions.
Next year he will retire graciously having done what he always has......taken on a role for the team
Keeping him for one more year is a no brainer
Next year he will retire graciously having done what he always has......taken on a role for the team
Keeping him for one more year is a no brainer
You continue to state your opinion as fact and everyone else’s as wrong, illogical and now childish.
Here’s a question for you. If Davidson is a better option, why did the club not drafted him in the MSD and delisted Kamdyn?
There’s the facts for you. The club clearly knows better.
Perhaps you should create your own club where you can make all the decisions. You’ll clearly be Premiers every year in your one team league.
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The other factor is we should be happy to throw a 30yo around to whenever is needed- back, forward, wing- all in the same quarter if required. sub for 3.5 quarters- no probs. Carry over emergency for interstate game, when VFL is elsewhere- use the 30yo.
Kids that are drafted need to be given their best chance to shine. Many on here werent happy when Smith sat most of the Cats game, and then again when he was played forward.
If we dont get injuries, and the kids go well, he may not play a game- even as sub, but i can see the merit in having a guy they can use as needed rather than having to throw kids around.
Well sounds like the club agrees with me and not with you. I'll take those "facts" over your crap opinions.
I've already given you a description of the value that Kmac gives us, you may think its a "stupid sub theory" but you'd be wrong.
