Justice?

[Disco08]

Do you think they got too fat in jail? LOL, don't think prison food is quite good enough for that, do you?

And you're positive they're not?

I wonder if 9 non-Aborigines raped a 10-year old girl whether they would have escaped jail...what do you think?

And how many non-Aborigines have escaped jail time for being 'too skinny'?

I've already said the first case was a complete injustice. The second case though seems to have precedent with non-indigenous people so it seems fair to assume a non-indigenous person would have been treated the same way.

Oh, if the bloke is house-bound then I can understand that.....but hey, this Aboriginal bloke was walking down the street.

Cases in Canada and Italy were involving a guy involved in gang related drug offenses. How can you be part of a gang like the mafia if you never leave your house?

 

[Liverpool]

Do you think they got too fat in jail? LOL, don't think prison food is quite good enough for that, do you?

Cases in Canada and Italy were involving a guy involved in gang related drug offenses. How can you be part of a gang like the mafia if you never leave your house?

The thing is, they were in jail and then released for being 'too fat'.
The Aboriginal perp didn't even make it to jail.

I've already said the first case was a complete injustice.

So why do you think he was let off a jail sentence then?
Surely the judge has come across skinny perps before....so what do you think caught the judge's eye?

Maybe this:

:hihi

 

[Disco08]

The thing is, they were in jail and then released for being 'too fat'.
The Aboriginal perp didn't even make it to jail.

Given that the overseas cases happened prior to this one, maybe they were used as precedent? Seems the actions of all the other cases were substantially worse than this guys too.

 

[Liverpool]

More rubbish from the legal fraternity:

Dad's horror at rape sentence cut
A CUT in the sentences for two notorious Sydney gang-rapists is unbelievable, the father of one of the victims says.
Bilal Skaf and his younger brother who cannot be named because he was 14 at the time of the offence, today failed in their bid to overturn their convictions for the August 2000 pack rape of a teenager at Gosling Park, in Sydney's west.
However, the pair won reductions in their sentences, with Bilal's parole eligibility date brought forward by two years, and his brother's brought forward by 18 months.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/comments/0,22023,24813649-662,00.html

 

[Legends of 2017]

Same old story. Can't say I'm too surprised these days

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24835391-2862,00.html

Smirking killer gets three years Norrie Ross

December 23, 2008 12:00am
A TEENAGER smirked at the justice system after he learned he would spend just two years in youth detention for the vicious killing of a talented academic.

The 18-year-old, who can be named only as MBA, was part of a gang who kicked Dr Zhongjun Cao to death for entertainment.

When Justice David Harper told him he would not be going to an adult jail, a broad smirk appeared on MBA's face and he appeared to be trying to suppress a giggle.

A co-accused, known as WH, will also spend less than two years in youth detention for killing Dr Cao, 41, who leaves behind a wife and a teenage daughter.

In his Supreme Court sentence, Justice Harper said the attack on Dr Cao took place during "several hours of mad, senseless criminality".

He said MBA and WH set out with six others to find, attack and rob an innocent victim in Footscray in January this year. "You both agreed to be part of a gang, the aim of which was seriously criminal," Justice Harper said.

Dr Cao, a research fellow at Victoria University of Technology, was on his way home when he was confronted by the gang at the intersection of Kinnear and Eldridge streets.

Justice Harper said Dr Cao was punched and then flung to the ground. His head hit the pavement and as he lay stricken another member of the gang kicked him in the head, then his wallet and phone were stolen.

He died four days later.

In a victim impact statement, Dr Cao's widow said she had lost her best friend and soulmate. "Since his death, her life has been made burdensome by loneliness and fear," Justice Harper said.

MBA pleaded guilty to manslaughter and robbery, and was sent to a youth justice centre for three years. With time served on remand he will be out in just over two years.

WH pleaded guilty to manslaughter and two counts of robbery. He was sent to a Youth Justice Centre for two years and eight months. With time spent on remand he will be out in just under two years.

Justice Harper said both teenagers came from good families, had no previous convictions and had good prospects of rehabilitation.

 

[Freezer]

Same old story. Can't say I'm too surprised these days

It's crap, isn't it.

 

[Willo]

It's crap, isn't it.

Gee life's getting cheap. They'd get more than that if a member of my family was the victim.
The prick wouldn't be smirking for long.

 

[mb64]

It's crap, isn't it.

Absolutely

 

[Legends of 2017]

I know it's a different country and different legal system, but I see that in Iraq, the guy that threw those shoes at george dubya is facing up to 15 years for that. 15 years for shoe throwing, and missing, compared to what those scumbags got in the previous article I posted?

 

[Legends of 2017]

In todays paper, although I couldn't find the official link.

A YOUNG man who nearly died after being bashed by two others outside a nightclub is angry that they have walked from court without criminal convictions. Office worker Ben Kazakoff, 26, suffered a fractured skull, depressed eye socket, cracked cheekbone and a misaligned jaw in the March 2007 attack in St Kilda. Despite the severity of the attack and statements of up to 30 witnesses, a magistrate has spared his attackers from convictions. "I don't really remember anything of the incident," Mr Kazakoff told the Herald Sun. "I was sitting down on the kerb with my mobile phone when I saw two guys approach me from the front. "When I woke up in hospital I was in a neck brace with all these tubes sticking out of me. "Apparently they (the medical staff) had called my family assuming that I'd die." According to a police summary, one of the attackers "struck the victim to the face twice while he was sitting". "Kazakoff was continually hit and punched while he was on the ground and unconscious," it said. Ricky Brockdorff, 20, of Wyndham Vale, pleaded guilty in Melbourne Magistrates' Court to recklessly causing serious injury. He escaped with an 18-month community based order, was ordered to perform 150 hours' community work and to pay Mr Kazakoff $700. Daniel Mifsud, 23, of Wyndham Vale, pleaded guilty to recklessly causing injury. He was released on a good behaviour bond and ordered to pay a $1000 fine and $700 compensation. Both men were sentenced late last month. "I had to sit there and listen to how they had such a bad upbringing and how everyone should feel sympathy for them," Mr Kazakoff said. "When I was told about their sentence I was shattered. I have no faith in the justice system. "My parents are devastated. They thought at the time I would die." - Herald Sun News, Paul Anderson, 5/2/09



I just shake my head whenever I hear pollies say things like Brumby did in regards to the arsonists, that they will be dealt with, with the full force of the law, and you continually see sentences like these handed out.

 

[Legends of 2017]

WOW. Two weak decisions, by soft *smile* judges on the same day.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/02/05/48571_news.html

No remorse but Russell Riches' attacker walks free

Karen Matthews

February 5th, 2009

VIOLENT PAST: Luke Anderson has a criminal history and felt no remorse for assaulting Russell Riches yet a magistrate let him walk free on a three-month suspended sentence. Photo: GLENN FERGUSON

LUKE Anderson, the man who delivered the kinghit which left former Olympian Russell Riches fighting for life, has walked free from court on a suspended sentence.

Outraged son Dan Riches said the family was devastated by the "lenient" sentence and would press for an appeal.

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"If the community is speaking out, if everyone is upset and angry about the violence and wants it to stop, tell me why won't our judicial system do something about it," he said.

Russell Riches was assaulted outside the Gold Diggers Arms, Skene St, Newtown, on March 8, last year when he tried to diffuse a heated argument between Anderson's mate, Peter Tobias, and his girlfriend.

While an angry Mr Tobias was remonstrating with Mr Riches, Anderson came from behind and struck a forceful blow to the right side of Mr Riches head.

Mr Riches struck his head on a pole as he fell.

He suffered a fractured skull, bleeding to the brain and was hospitalised in a critical condition.

Anderson, 27, of Pantic's Rd, Teesdale, pleaded not guilty in Geelong Magistrates' Court recently to charges of recklessly causing serious injury and riotous behavior.

He pleaded guilty to a separate charge of unlawful assault on another patron earlier inside the hotel.

The court was also told Anderson, formerly of Warrnambool, had priors for burglary, theft and assault.

Yesterday Magistrate Rosemary Carlin found Anderson guilty on all counts.

Handing down sentence, she said she was satisfied Mr Riches had been struck to the right side of his head where he could not have seen it coming.

Ms Carlin found that Anderson's decision to punch Mr Riches was a spur of the moment action and occurred when he was already in an aggressive frame of mind after assaulting a patron inside the hotel.

She said Anderson, by his plea of not guilty, had shown no remorse and she described the assault as a bad example and the injuries "very serious''.

"I also accept that you did not foresee the extent of the injuries caused and I am dealing with a single punch,'' she said.

Ms Carlin said Anderson did not come before the court with an unblemished record and one of his prior court appearances included an assault in 2004.

"Your behavior was another example of drunken aggressive violence which has become a common occurrence,'' she said.

"Your previous criminal history should have made you aware of what you can get into if you are drunk.''

Ms Carlin said Anderson, however, showed good prospects of rehabilitation and that he had been in constant employment.

"All of this shows you are a person with good prospects,'' she said.

"But when you have alcohol onboard, you get out of control and things get ugly.

"The sentence I am about to impose is designed to assist you and send a message to the community.''

On the charge of recklessly causing serious injury to Russell Riches, Anderson was convicted and sentenced to three months' jail wholly suspended for two years.

On the charges of unlawful assault and riotous behavior, he was convicted and placed on a 12-month community-based order with 125 hours unpaid community work.

He was also ordered to pay witness costs of $593.



Let's see, he has priors, the magistrate says he had shown no remorse, she described the assault as a bad example and the injuries "very serious''.
But the line that gets me- "The sentence I am about to impose is designed to assist you and send a message to the community.''
What about the victim, you *smile* ? . This is justice? This guy has done it before, he didn't learn the previous time. Explain to the community, what the hell kind of message it is that you are indeed trying to send. To me, it says, do whatever you like, nearly kill someone, but I'll get tough by sentencing you to community service (and we all know how strict that's policed). Seriously, does anyone want this kind of thug to be anywhere near a communtiy?

 

[Disco08]

Agreed, absolutely pathetic.

 

[Liverpool]

What does everyone think about the female teacher getting off light for this:

Student fling teacher dodges jail
A FEMALE teacher who had a relationship with a 15-year-old student has been spared time behind bars.
Nazira Rafei, 26, became infatuated with the teen after they bonded over a mutual love of music, the County Court heard.
Rafei and the boy met three times early last year, including at his home during a teachers' strike, and engaged in kissing and groping.
Rafei pleaded guilty to two counts of committing an indecent act with a child under 16 and was found guilty by a jury of a third charge.
The court heard Rafei had grown up in a Muslim family with a strict code of social conduct that limited her contact with members of the opposite sex.
Her lawyer said during a plea hearing she was totally unprepared to deal with the teenage infatuation of her student.
Judge Liz Gaynor said Rafei's offences were extremely immature and breached the strict trust between a teacher and student.
"This is a tragic affair from beginning to end," she said.
"Whether initiated by the young person or not he prohibition on relationships of this kind ... must be absolute."
Judge Gaynor said Rafei was a bright young woman who had destroyed her future but was not a chance of re-offending.
Rafei was sentenced to an 18-month community-based order with 150 hours of unpaid work.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25142720-2862,00.html


So, the question beckons.....if it was a male teacher having sex with a 15 year old girl, would he have been spared jail time?
Is the law discriminating against men?
Or is the law now discriminating against non-Muslims with the excuse of growing up in a Muslim family with a strict code of social conduct that limited her contact with members of the opposite sex....being used as a defence?

Either way, this outcome is very hypocritical towards similar cases in the past regarding an adult fooling around with a minor.

 

[Freezer]

So, the question beckons.....if it was a male teacher having sex with a 15 year old girl, would he have been spared jail time?
Is the law discriminating against men?
Or is the law now discriminating against non-Muslims with the excuse of growing up in a Muslim family with a strict code of social conduct that limited her contact with members of the opposite sex....being used as a defence?

Either way, this outcome is very hypocritical towards similar cases in the past regarding an adult fooling around with a minor.

If you find any answers, can you let me know. I'm as confused as the next Anglo-Saxon Christian man.

 

[Liverpool]

Well, we've covered many cases on this thread regarding lack of justice, judicial incompetence, and lenient sentencing....many staggering to the majority of people.

However, this one could be the 'mother of all'.....cold blooded, in view of witnesses....what can I say....unbelievable!


Man who beheaded fellow bus passenger found not guilty
A CHINESE man who beheaded and hacked a Canadian bus passenger to pieces has been found not guilty of murder on mental grounds.
Vince Weiguang Li, 40, who had been charged with murdering 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Canadian Greyhound bus on July 30, 2008, has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
Li had repeatedly stabbed Mr McLean, who had been asleep on the seat next to him, sawn off his head, removed his internal organs, pocketed his nose, tongue and an ear, and taunted police and bystanders with the severed head.
Police said in court documents Li "appeared to smell, and then eat parts of Tim McLean's flesh" and "lick blood from his hands" as they surrounded the bus on a desolate highway 90 kilometres west of Winnipeg, in western Canada, soon after the attack.
Authorities found body parts littered throughout the bus, some in white plastic bags.
Mr McLean's eyes and a third of his heart were also missing, and it is presumed Li ate them, said a pathologist in court files, though Li denies this.
The other 35 passengers and the driver were jolted by "blood-curdling screams" and fled, said witnesses, bracing the door after their escape to trap Li inside the bus.
He was subdued by police after a three-hour standoff.
Justice John Scurfield of the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench described the killing as "grotesque" and "appalling," but ruled Li was not criminally responsible for the murder because of his mental disorder.
During a three-day trial, psychiatrists testified Li suffers from schizophrenia and did not know what he was doing when he killed Mr McLean.
The court heard Li had auditory hallucinations on the day of the attack, that he heard God's voice telling him to board the bus from Edmonton to Winnipeg, and kill Mr McLean.
Li dismembered Mr McLean's body, psychiatrists testified, because he feared Mr McLean could otherwise resurrect from the dead and seek revenge.
His mental health is to be evaluated within 90 days, the judge ordered. Thereafter, he may be released or confined to a secure psychiatric hospital for treatment.
Outside the courtroom, Mr McLean's mother Carol Dedelley expressed her disappointment at the verdict and her fears for public safety.
"This isn't the right result," she said.
"Knowing that that killer might get out sometime soon is very hard.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred, and (this) ruling seems to negate that fact.
"A major illness took my son's life, and he was never sick.
"Mr Li should be held accountable for it.
"Whether he was in his right frame of mind or not, he still did the act. There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife slicing up my child."
Mr McLean, according to his family, was on his way home to Winnipeg from a job as a carnival worker in western Canada, when he was attacked.
He "struggled and tried to escape" his attacker, but "eventually either fell or was thrown to the floor of the bus," court files said.
Investigators said friends described Li, a former computer programmer who had immigrated to Canada in 2001, as having had mental problems since 2004, but said they never knew him to be violent.
Li was admitted to a mental hospital in 2005, where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia, according to court testimony.
Doctors identified his auditory hallucinations and offered him medication, but he declined treatment at the time.
"Unfortunately, he appears to have left the treatment facility without permission," the judge said.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25147646-661,00.html


So remember kids.....if you want to go and behead someone, plead schizo and you'll be fine! :crazy

 

[Legends of 2017]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25147139-661,00.html

Four men jailed over fire attack on disabled man's home Paul Anderson

March 06, 2009 12:22pm
FOUR men have been jailed for the "shocking, disgraceful and horrifying" act of setting a mentally ill man and his house on fire.

Richard Findlay, 21, Adam Taylor, 20, Tyson Jessen, 19, and Allan Walters, 20, were sentenced to five years and must serve a minumum of three over the fire attack that left Rosebud man Irving Richard Plotkin, 59, disfigured with horrible injuries

Jessen, Taylor and Walters wept and sobbed as the sentence was handed down, along with members of their families in the court room.

The court was told the four young men had received threats since being remanded in custody last Friday, and would therefore have to serve part – if not all – of their sentences in protective custody.

Judge Barbara Cotterell said due to their obvious distress in the dock the prisoners should be placed under observation upon their return to custody.

One other man, James Dingle, 19, will be sentenced at a later date.

Judge Cotterell described the attack as "shocking, disgraceful and horrifying".

"In an act of cowardice you left Mr Plotkin to burn inside his own home," she said.

The court was told they knocked on the door of Mr Plotkin's home in Rosebud, on the Mornington Peninsula, pretending to be police on September 30 last year.

When he answered, they threw petrol over the opened front door and Mr Plotkin.

One of the men then lit a watering can containing petrol and threw it through a window near where Mr Plotkin was standing, causing the house to burst into flames.

Mr Plotkin, who has schizophrenia, had to leap through a window to escape with his life. He suffered burns to 60 per cent of his body.

He later had to have one eyelid removed and he will likely lose his lips as a result of the attack.

The court was told a combination of boredom and a desire to have some fun had motivated the attack.

All five men pleaded guilty to arson and reckless conduct endangering life.



Another pissweak sentence.
"Judge Cotterell described the attack as "shocking, disgraceful and horrifying".

"In an act of cowardice you left Mr Plotkin to burn inside his own home," she said."

Back your big talking words up, you useless judge. They threw petrol over someone, then threw fire near him, what did they think would happen?
Mr. Plotkin will need care for the rest of his life, and will feel it till he dies. These morons should be put in the general prison population. I hope the sentences are appealed and get extended. I can dream can't I?

 

[the claw]

What does everyone think about the female teacher getting off light for this:

Student fling teacher dodges jail
A FEMALE teacher who had a relationship with a 15-year-old student has been spared time behind bars.
Nazira Rafei, 26, became infatuated with the teen after they bonded over a mutual love of music, the County Court heard.
Rafei and the boy met three times early last year, including at his home during a teachers' strike, and engaged in kissing and groping.
Rafei pleaded guilty to two counts of committing an indecent act with a child under 16 and was found guilty by a jury of a third charge.
The court heard Rafei had grown up in a Muslim family with a strict code of social conduct that limited her contact with members of the opposite sex.
Her lawyer said during a plea hearing she was totally unprepared to deal with the teenage infatuation of her student.
Judge Liz Gaynor said Rafei's offences were extremely immature and breached the strict trust between a teacher and student.
"This is a tragic affair from beginning to end," she said.
"Whether initiated by the young person or not he prohibition on relationships of this kind ... must be absolute."
Judge Gaynor said Rafei was a bright young woman who had destroyed her future but was not a chance of re-offending.
Rafei was sentenced to an 18-month community-based order with 150 hours of unpaid work.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25142720-2862,00.html


So, the question beckons.....if it was a male teacher having sex with a 15 year old girl, would he have been spared jail time?
Is the law discriminating against men?
Or is the law now discriminating against non-Muslims with the excuse of growing up in a Muslim family with a strict code of social conduct that limited her contact with members of the opposite sex....being used as a defence?

Either way, this outcome is very hypocritical towards similar cases in the past regarding an adult fooling around with a minor.

hmm lucky kid. what a sex education this kid got hope he got plenty of tips. :hihi

 

[the claw]

It's crap, isn't it.

.243 sporting rifle with scope. as he came out the door of the jail he wouldnt have a mouth left to smirk with. watch em throw the book at me for aquiring that rarest of commodities justice and for taking the law into my own hands. if i was smart i wouldnt get seen or caught. but i would want the justice system to know why.

 

[Liverpool]

If only the judge had given more than the paltry 17 years for the first murder then this Barbara Risby would still be with us.
This is where the judge should be put on trial and have them face the music for the sentences handed down...this way, we might get some decent ones then instead of the continual crap we see:

(Also take not of the usual pisss-weak defence excuse):

[P.S: People say that the death-penalty won't work because it doesn't deter anyone....but in this case, it might not deter anyone but Barbara Risby would still be alive because this cretin would have been executed after the first murder. Who cares about deterring future crimes when removing existing arseholes would be beneficial for the community anyway)


Killed for groceries: Pokies loss led to granny stabbing
March 17, 2009 10:01am
A PAROLED murderer killed again because he needed cash after blowing his grocery money on the pokies, a court has heard.
The Supreme Court in Hobart heard Mark John Adams, 45, was "chillingly composed" after stabbing 78-year-old Barbara Doreen Risby to death in broad daylight on Hobart's Domain on May 23, 2007.
The brutal attack was described as "disturbingly similar" to a previous murder committed by Adams in 1986, for which he was on parole, The Mercury reports.
Adams's lawyer, Tamara Jago, told the court Adams spent the morning before Mrs Risby's murder playing poker machines in hotels in Hobart.
"He instructs that it came to him that he needed to obtain some money," Ms Jago told the court.
"He determined that he would effect a robbery."
She said Adams was in the habit of carrying a knife.
"He produced the knife with the hope that the threat of it would cause the surrendering of a handbag," she said.
The murder was not pre-meditated, Ms Jago said.
"He says he didn't specially seek out a victim but rather his victim was the first person who came into the area once he'd determined to do this," she said.

Adams had been out of jail for four years after serving 17 years for the 1986 stabbing murder of his neighbour, Edna Jean Story, in her Risdon Vale home.

The court heard Mrs Risby, a "fit and active" grandmother, was returning to her car about 3pm after a day cruise on the River Derwent.
Adams stabbed her three times when she put up "some resistance" to being robbed, Ms Jago said.
Director of Public Prosecutions Tim Ellis said the "chilling thing" was Adams's composure.
Immediately after the killing, Adams texted his girlfriend to say: "On my way home now, getting some groceries."
He bought new clothes and changed into them before going home to Warrane.
Mrs Risby's body was found in a culvert on the Domain with her severed handbag straps nearby.
Neither the bag nor the murder weapon was ever found.
Mr Ellis said both women were stabbed to the upper body, front-on, and both had defensive wounds to their hands.
"Both crimes were ones that put fear in the community, especially to women on their own," Mr Ellis said.
He said the appropriate sentence for Adams was life in jail with no prospect of release on parole.

Ms Jago argued her client's crime was not in the most heinous category of murder.
Murders involving robberies and violence frequently attracted sentences of 20 to 30 years, she submitted.
The court heard Adams recently had a cancerous kidney removed.
"In 20 years from now he may well be an aged frail man and therefore his risk to the greater community is in a very different category than now," Ms Jago said.

Justice Alan Blow will sentence Adams next week.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25198995-661,00.html

 

[Liverpool]

I think any father would have done the same.....but of course....the legal fraternity again *smile* it up :

Molester free while dad who bashed him could be jailed
A QUEENSLAND father who bashed a man caught molesting his 10-year-old son is facing a prison sentence, while the boy's attacker walks free.
In a highly unusual case, Shane Thomas Davidson was spared jail despite pleading guilty to molesting the boy on State Of Origin night last year.
Judge Ian Dearden told Beenleigh District Court the sentence was reduced because the young victim's father had wrongly taken action into his own hands and badly beaten Davidson.
"There is no place in our community for a vigilante approach," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25651579-952,00.html