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Justice?

the lesson is simple - you don't want a strap on where it hurts:

1) don't hire a live sex act

2) don't volunteer to go on stage

3) don't drop your pants

4) don't get on all fours

5) don't lube up

seriously mate, how can you believe this guys "denial" is legit? The judge obviously didn't
 
Liverpool said:
I wonder if 'accidental rape' will be a defence now for some males out there when with a female, as the precedent has been set?

Isn't there another case around now where a guy is charged with raping a consenting partner who fell asleep prior to the act. I think the judge called that accidental rape or something like that.

If the sexes were reversed livers I'm tipping you would be saying the 'girl' was begging for it by being naked on all fours, lubed up and ready to go.
 
Tiger74 said:
the lesson is simple - you don't want a strap on where it hurts:
1) don't hire a live sex act
2) don't volunteer to go on stage
3) don't drop your pants
4) don't get on all fours
5) don't lube up
seriously mate, how can you believe this guys "denial" is legit? The judge obviously didn't

jb03 said:
Isn't there another case around now where a guy is charged with raping a consenting partner who fell asleep prior to the act. I think the judge called that accidental rape or something like that.
If the sexes were reversed livers I'm tipping you would be saying the 'girl' was begging for it by being naked on all fours, lubed up and ready to go.

Actually Tiger74...I wouldn't.
What you and JB03 are saying smacks of Sheik Hilali condoning rape because of the way some sheilas dress like "uncovered meat"..;..do they ask for it to by virtually wearing nothing half the time?

The circumstances are superfluous.....if he said "no" then he said 'no'.
End of story.
 
He said "no" but remained there with his butt waving in the air? Please Livers. Surely a more emphatic and less ambiguous way to say would have been to get up and walk off the stage.
 
The justice system in victoria is getting beyond a joke


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25979168-2862,00.html

Danielle Boundy, who kidnapped internet lover's son, sentenced
Elissa Hunt

August 25, 2009 12:41pm
UPDATE 1.13pm: A WOMAN who snatched the young son of her internet lover and fled interstate has been given a suspended jail term.

Danielle Boundy, 37, drove off with the seven-year-old after an argument with his father at a service station near Ballarat in July last year.

After a frightening 900km trip - during which Boundy flung the boy's father's belongings from the car - she was tracked down at a hotel room in Port Augusta, South Australia.

She met the father on the internet and they struck up a serious relationship shortly after.

Boundy was violent towards the man several times during their short but volatile relationship, including attacking him with a knife in the days before the kidnapping.

Chief Judge Michael Rozenes said Boundy, who suffers a range of psychological conditions, had acted under a misguided sense that the boy needed protection from his father.

He said her troubled past and history of mental illness meant her culpability was lower and would have made prison time harder.

But the crime of child stealing was one that warranted a prison term.

"Parents suffer great distress ... worrying about what will ultimately happen to their child, and it makes no difference to them whether the offender was ill or wicked," he said.

The Chief Judge said the term of two years' jail would be suspended for three years.

He also placed Boundy on a two-year community-based order to enable her to be supervised and treated during her sentence.

Boundy pleaded guilty to child stealing and two counts of intentionally causing injury to the father.



So, now it appears it is ok to kidnap a child, take them interstate, slash and stab someone, and not go to jail ::)
 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/racist-jailed-for-refusing-to-follow-lenient-court-order/story-e6frf7jo-1225771694097


Racist jailed for refusing to follow lenient court order
Elissa Hunt
A RACIST thug who thumbed his nose at the law after walking free over a gang bashing has finally been locked up for the brutal crime.

Shane Psaila laughed and joked as he left the County Court last year after being given a second chance with a community-based order for attacking a Sudanese student in 2007.

But the recalcitrant youth was stony-faced yesterday when he was sent to jail after refusing to show up for community work and committing more crimes within months.

Psaila, 20, did only 13 of the 150 hours of community work he was ordered to do by Judge Phillip Coish in August last year.

He had pleaded guilty to recklessly causing serious injury over the attack that left 17-year-old Ajang Gor unconscious in a Melton street.

Psaila and three mates set upon Mr Gor as he rode home from work, punching him and smashing a bottle on his head before stealing his phone.

They branded him a ''black dog'' during the assault and Psaila later told police, ''He's a *smile* and he shouldn't even be in the country''.

The County Court heard Psaila had been rude and uncooperative during a court-ordered program aimed at helping him reform.

Corrections staff reported that he was ''unwilling to take responsibility for his offending'' and told them he had ''no intention of completing the program''.

Psaila's poor behaviour continued last November when he abused police who stopped him for careless driving in an unsafe car and possessing a weapon.

Defence lawyer Nicholas Rolfe conceded his client had done little to help himself, but urged the court to give him another chance.

Prosecutor Wendy Duncan said an immediate prison term was the only option.

Judge Coish agreed the ''intolerable'' nature of the crime against Mr Gor and Psaila's refusal to obey the court's orders meant he must be imprisoned.

He jailed him for 12 months and ordered him to serve at least six months.




Amazing isn't it. This thug bashes an innocent person, steals their property and gets community service as punishment. But for not doing community service, he gets jail ::)
 
Legends of 1980 said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/racist-jailed-for-refusing-to-follow-lenient-court-order/story-e6frf7jo-1225771694097



They branded him a ''black dog'' during the assault and Psaila later told police, ''He's a b!tch and he shouldn't even be in the country''.

The County Court heard Psaila had been rude and uncooperative during a court-ordered program aimed at helping him reform.

Corrections staff reported that he was ''unwilling to take responsibility for his offending'' and told them he had ''no intention of completing the program''.

Psaila's poor behaviour continued last November when he abused police who stopped him for careless driving in an unsafe car and possessing a weapon.

Too much gangsta rap for this moronic generation.
 
Legends of 1980 said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/racist-jailed-for-refusing-to-follow-lenient-court-order/story-e6frf7jo-1225771694097

Amazing isn't it. This thug bashes an innocent person, steals their property and gets community service as punishment. But for not doing community service, he gets jail ::)

Isn't a community service order given with the understanding that if you break it you end up in jail? I also find it interesting that a man with the surname Psaila can believe that immigrants such as the one he bashed shouldn't be here, but I guess that's another argument for another thread.
 
Unbelievable ::)

Herman Rockefeller's killers Mario Schembri and Bernadette Denny sentenced

THE swingers responsible for killing Malvern businessman Herman Rockefeller were this morning sentenced to time in prison.

Mario Schembri and Bernadette Denny both pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Mr Rockefeller.

Schembri was sentenced to nine years in prison with a minimum of seven; Denny was sentenced to seven years, with a minimum of five.

Mr Rockefeller's wife Vicky Rockefeller sat stony faced throughout the 30-minute sentencing.

Justice Terry Forrest said that while they had both shown some remorse and had reasonable propects of rehabilitation their spontaneous crime of manslaughter and appalling post-offence conduct of dismembering the body had to be dealt with accordingly.

"The damage you have caused to a decent honourable family is incalculable," Justice Forrest said.

Justice Forrest said Mr Rockefeller was punched up to a dozen times during the fatal assault.

“Herman Rockefeller made some unorthodox choices in his adult life,” Justice Forrest said.

“So too did you Mario Schembri and you Bernadette Denny. None of those choices was in itself unlawful, nor is it the function of this court to pass judgement on them. The upshot of the choices you made, however, is that the scene was set for the totally unnecessary death of a man.

“His parents, wife and children are devastated. The harm that you have caused them is profound. They will always carry some legacy of it, and so will you.”

In reference to Schembri’s record of interview, Justice Forrest said he told detectives that Mr Rockefeller “didn’t bring his missus and there was a confrontation” on the night the millionaire was killed at Denny’s home in Hadfield during their second sex rendezvous.

“You did intend to detain him, however, and it was only shortly thereafter that the fighting began...You implied he had no chance.

“You could not estimate how many times you hit him, but Mr Rockefeller fell and struck his head – possibly on the ground – and died.”

Schembri later cut Mr Rockefeller’s arms, legs and head from his torso and burned the parts.

“I have concluded that Ms Denny’s overall moral culpability is somewhat less than Mr Schembri’s, however it is still considerable.”


Mr Rockefeller, who called himself Andrew Kingston on the swingers circuit, met Denny and Schembri after they contacted him via an ad he placed in a sex magazine.

It read in part: "We are in our late 30s. Can meet during the day times and discretion is assured... No single males please."

At their initial rendezvous, Mr Rockefeller had sex with with Denny while Schembri watched.

Mr Rockefeller then travelled to the Hadfield house on the night of January 21 while on the way home from a business trip.

Justice Forrest noted that Mr Rockefeller was prevented from leaving the house, having failed to bring another woman.

The possible maximum term for manslaughter is 20 years' jail.

Phil Dunn, QC, for Denny, said the death was unplanned and unintended.

"There was no gain for anybody in the death of Herman Rockefeller," Mr Dunn said.

Geoffrey Steward, for Schembri, said the fatal assault was not premeditated, although what was done to the body afterwards was an aggravating feature.

Mr Steward said Schembri lost control and "things got out of hand" after Mr Rockefeller failed to live up to his promise of providing another woman for the rendezvous.

"He felt he was being taken for a fool. Taken for a ride," Mr Steward said. "He's not a person of cunning."

Chief Commissioner Simon Overland said this morning after the sentence was handed down swinging was a risky lifestyle choice.

"Clearly people need to be responsible for the decisions they make and if they engage in behaviour that puts themselves at risk, we don’t encourage that in any way, shape or form," he said.

"It does seem to me that that sort of behaviour brings with it all sorts of risks and people really need to think very, very carefully about that sort of activity before they engage in it."
 
jb03 said:
Which part specifically is unbelievable Rosy?

That people could kill someone, go out and buys a chainsaw and cut the body up into little bits and only get 5 and 7 years in jail. I'll be interested to see how the parole board judge the case when the killers are due for release. I doubt they'll be out in 5 and 7 years.

Where do you get the info that the prosecution asked for 5 and 7 years? Since when does the prosecution decide the sentence?

Justice Terry Forrest said the maximum sentence for manslaughter was 20 years imprisonment. If it wasn't for the guilty please, signs of remorse and potential value to the community he would have made the sentences 11 with a minimum of 9 and 9 with a minimum of 7. That doesn't add up to the 5 & 7 year sentences being at the prosecutors' request.
 
rosy23 said:
Where do you get the info that the prosecution asked for 5 and 7 years? Since when does the prosecution decide the sentence?

Dunno if I read it or heard it but since they effectively plea bargained to manslaughter I think the prosectuion asked for those sentences. Not saying the prosecution should decide only that is what they requested.
 
Yep
The swingers were fairly upset with Rockerfeller, gave him a beating.
Ooops we went a bit far

What to do now, we have a dead bloke
Panic sets in big time

This is basically the defence they ran and it looks as though it was a successful strategy
 
ZeroGame said:
If you realise it was manslaughter then you shouldn't be shocked at the jail sentences

Thanks for the gratuitous tip but I'm far from "shocked". Sadly I'm hardly suprised really.

My post did mention manslaughter so of course I realised that. It also mentioned Justice Terry Forrest stating the maximum sentence for manslaughter is 20 years. The 2 guilty parties here got a fraction of that. Potentially around 1/3 and 1/4. I know someone who got more for accidentally going off a bridge on his motorbike and his girlfriend dying.

I would be very disappointed if someone I loved was killed, dismembered and incinerated and those found guily only had to face a few years in jail.

I respect your right to feel differently but I can't see why you're telling me how I shouldn't feel, especially considering the sentence was way below the maximum allowed.