They'll let him off hopefully Livers.Liverpool said:I think any father would have done the same.....but of course....the legal fraternity again *smile*s it up:
Molester free while dad who bashed him could be jailed
A QUEENSLAND father who bashed a man caught molesting his 10-year-old son is facing a prison sentence, while the boy's attacker walks free.
In a highly unusual case, Shane Thomas Davidson was spared jail despite pleading guilty to molesting the boy on State Of Origin night last year.
Judge Ian Dearden told Beenleigh District Court the sentence was reduced because the young victim's father had wrongly taken action into his own hands and badly beaten Davidson.
"There is no place in our community for a vigilante approach," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25651579-952,00.html
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Another pissweak sentence.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25855192-661,00.html
Jail term for John Caratozzolo sparks outrage
Elissa Hunt and Geoff Wilkinson
July 30, 2009 12:00am
A 10-year jail term given to the ringleader of a gang who kicked a man to death for fun has sparked a wave of public anger.
The Director of Public Prosecutions is reviewing the sentence given to John Caratozzolo for the murder of Dr Zhongjun Cao.
Caratozzolo and six others bashed and kicked the 41-year-old academic in a Footscray street as he walked home from Victoria University in January last year.
Caratozzolo was jailed for 15 years with a minimum of 10.
Only five of the 129 murderers jailed in the past five years have received a lighter minimum sentence.
Victims' groups said they were disgusted by the sentence and more than 300 people felt moved to comment on heraldsun.com.au.
Dr Cao's widow, Jingfang Zhou, said her family had been destroyed and she had lost the light of her life, a man she had fallen in love with at first sight.
"We were not two people, just one," she said.
"How much does my husband's life deserve?"
The gang of youths planned to go "curry bashing" and rob an Indian student for a mobile phone.
Instead they came across Dr Cao, a gentle and beloved father who stood no chance against seven young men.
He was not even asked for his phone before the beating began. One of the thugs picked him up and dropped him on his head.
As Dr Cao lay dying, Caratozzolo laughed and delivered a vicious kick to his victim's head as a parting gesture.
The gang then moved on to its next target, Bhinesh Mosaheb. He was bashed and robbed and now suffers from a twisted spinal cord.
Justice Harper said Caratozzolo was a "laughing assassin" whose racially-based violence scarred the community.
"Crime based upon racism is a negation of Australia's fundamental values," he said.
Caratozzolo, now 21, pleaded guilty to murder and robbery.
Justice Harper said he took into account Caratozzolo's age, his immaturity, his guilty plea and his good prospects of rehabilitation.
Of the 129 murderers jailed in the past five years, only five were jailed for less than Caratozzolo and eight others were given the same, a 10-year non-parole period.
The average non-parole period for murderers was 16 years.
DPP Jeremy Rapke, QC, will consider an appeal against Caratozzolo's sentence.
"I will announce my decision as soon as I have completed my review," Mr Rapke said.
Crime Victims Support Association president Noel McNamara called the sentence a disgrace that would add to the pain of Dr Cao's widow and 16-year-old daughter.
Dr Cao's family and the Chinese community have called on the public to protest over the sentences given to other members of the gang.
Several were sentenced to youth detention last year.
The website set up for people to join a petition is: http://www.caozhongjun.org
This lowlife killed an innocent person for fun, yet the judge says he took his good prospects for rehab into account? ??? When will a maximum sentence, or appropriate sentence, ever be handed down?
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25855192-661,00.html
Jail term for John Caratozzolo sparks outrage
Elissa Hunt and Geoff Wilkinson
July 30, 2009 12:00am
A 10-year jail term given to the ringleader of a gang who kicked a man to death for fun has sparked a wave of public anger.
The Director of Public Prosecutions is reviewing the sentence given to John Caratozzolo for the murder of Dr Zhongjun Cao.
Caratozzolo and six others bashed and kicked the 41-year-old academic in a Footscray street as he walked home from Victoria University in January last year.
Caratozzolo was jailed for 15 years with a minimum of 10.
Only five of the 129 murderers jailed in the past five years have received a lighter minimum sentence.
Victims' groups said they were disgusted by the sentence and more than 300 people felt moved to comment on heraldsun.com.au.
Dr Cao's widow, Jingfang Zhou, said her family had been destroyed and she had lost the light of her life, a man she had fallen in love with at first sight.
"We were not two people, just one," she said.
"How much does my husband's life deserve?"
The gang of youths planned to go "curry bashing" and rob an Indian student for a mobile phone.
Instead they came across Dr Cao, a gentle and beloved father who stood no chance against seven young men.
He was not even asked for his phone before the beating began. One of the thugs picked him up and dropped him on his head.
As Dr Cao lay dying, Caratozzolo laughed and delivered a vicious kick to his victim's head as a parting gesture.
The gang then moved on to its next target, Bhinesh Mosaheb. He was bashed and robbed and now suffers from a twisted spinal cord.
Justice Harper said Caratozzolo was a "laughing assassin" whose racially-based violence scarred the community.
"Crime based upon racism is a negation of Australia's fundamental values," he said.
Caratozzolo, now 21, pleaded guilty to murder and robbery.
Justice Harper said he took into account Caratozzolo's age, his immaturity, his guilty plea and his good prospects of rehabilitation.
Of the 129 murderers jailed in the past five years, only five were jailed for less than Caratozzolo and eight others were given the same, a 10-year non-parole period.
The average non-parole period for murderers was 16 years.
DPP Jeremy Rapke, QC, will consider an appeal against Caratozzolo's sentence.
"I will announce my decision as soon as I have completed my review," Mr Rapke said.
Crime Victims Support Association president Noel McNamara called the sentence a disgrace that would add to the pain of Dr Cao's widow and 16-year-old daughter.
Dr Cao's family and the Chinese community have called on the public to protest over the sentences given to other members of the gang.
Several were sentenced to youth detention last year.
The website set up for people to join a petition is: http://www.caozhongjun.org
This lowlife killed an innocent person for fun, yet the judge says he took his good prospects for rehab into account? ??? When will a maximum sentence, or appropriate sentence, ever be handed down?
I don't know what's more disgusting. The fact he only received 10 years for a cold blooded murder? The fact he has multiple criminal convictions? the fact he is telling his victim's family to think of his family? Or the fact that the Immigration Department says he has to be given his 'full rights' to try and not be deported back to his home country. *smile* his 'rights'. It's a bloody joke he wasn't bundled onto the first flight out of here to Turkey after his release.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25873688-421,00.html
Killer Mehmet Ince's tells victim's mum to think of his family
By Kelvin Healey
Herald Sun
August 03, 2009 08:05am
A VICIOUS killer involved in a long-running battle against deportation wants his victim's family to give him a fair go.
Murderer Mehmet Ince's comments have infuriated the devastated family of Melbourne plumber Ian Broadbent, who Ince callously gunned down in 1997.
Mr Broadbent's mum, Heather McDonald, has demanded the Turkish citizen be deported and accused authorities of keeping her in the dark over the case.
"If he deserves a fair go why didn't he think of that before he murdered my son," she said.
Ince, 31, was released from jail in November after serving 10 years behind bars for the brutal shooting murder of Mr Broadbent and is now fighting to stay in Australia.
"Whatever she (Mrs McDonald) does to me now, her son will not come back and it (will) only hurt me or hurt my mother," he said from Maribyrnong Immigration Detention Centre.
"Fair is fair. I have got my family living in Australia too. I am not being selfish.
"I am not willing to go (to Turkey) because I have got no family there."
"If she (Mrs McDonald) is going through pain can she . . . think of my mother too?"
The killer, who committed more than 30 crimes in two years after migrating to Australia in 1995, had his visa cancelled in late 2004, and his appeal against the ruling failed in early 2005.
Under Commonwealth law, any non-Australian citizen who serves a prison sentence longer than one year is deemed to fail the character test to stay in the country.
However, Ince is in Australia awaiting a response from Immigration and Citizenship Minister Chris Evans, who he has asked to intervene.
He has been held at the detention centre for nearly nine months, at a cost to taxpayers of more than $32,000, even though the Federal Government says the appeal process generally takes a maximum of four months.
Mrs McDonald said she was shattered Ince was not immediately deported after he was released from jail.
She begged authorities to boot him out and stop him draining the public purse.
"This has made me lose complete faith in any law in this country," she said.
"I feel that once he is out of this country at least we can try to live again knowing we did get a bit of justice."
On the night he died Mr Broadbent, 26, had been drinking and approached Ince's car at traffic lights in Bundoora and grabbed the sunroof.
The car raced off with Mr Broadbent hanging on before Ince, who was in the passenger seat, sprang through the sunroof and shot him dead.
Ince labelled the incident "a bizarre tragedy, a lot of misunderstanding".
Ince claimed he was fully rehabilitated.
Opposition Immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone said Ince should have been deported after he left jail.
"It is now time for him to leave the country," Dr Stone said. "The public shouldn't be expected to continue paying."
Yesterday Mr Evans' spokesman said the minister would not be able to make a comment until the case was finalised.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25877570-2862,00.html
Immigration Department insists on killer Mehmet Ince rights
Gerard McManus
August 04, 2009 12:00am
KILLER Mehmet Ince has to be given his full rights to pursue his attempt to keep Australia his home, says the Immigration Department.
But Immigration Minister Chris Evans could rule within weeks on a ministerial intervention plea by Ince to allow him to say.
Ince, a convicted murderer, is using all legal avenues to keep his visa and stay in Australia, including an intervention by the minister, as revealed in yesterday's Herald Sun.
A spokesman for Senator Evans said the minister was unable to comment until the appeal application was resolved and Ince notified of the decision.
But Opposition immigration spokesman Sharman Stone described the delay in deporting Ince as "baffling".
"He is not a stateless person, he's a Turkish citizen, this should be an open-and-shut case," she said.
"After recent changes to the law, he doesn't even have to pay for his detention costs."
Ince, 31, served 10 years for the murder of Melbourne plumber Ian Broadbent and is fighting to stay in Australia after having his visa cancelled in 2004.
He is being held in the Maribyrnong Detention Centre while he pursues his legal challenge.
Ince's long-running case is believed to be costing taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars in legal and administrative costs.
Mr Broadbent was shot by Ince, a Turkish citizen, two years after he migrated to Australia in 1995.
He has also been convicted of dozens of other crimes.
Mr Broadbent's family wants Ince deported and has accused the Government of ignoring their concerns.
An Immigration Department spokesman said yesterday its views were unchanged and that Ince was entitled to exercise his rights.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25873688-421,00.html
Killer Mehmet Ince's tells victim's mum to think of his family
By Kelvin Healey
Herald Sun
August 03, 2009 08:05am
A VICIOUS killer involved in a long-running battle against deportation wants his victim's family to give him a fair go.
Murderer Mehmet Ince's comments have infuriated the devastated family of Melbourne plumber Ian Broadbent, who Ince callously gunned down in 1997.
Mr Broadbent's mum, Heather McDonald, has demanded the Turkish citizen be deported and accused authorities of keeping her in the dark over the case.
"If he deserves a fair go why didn't he think of that before he murdered my son," she said.
Ince, 31, was released from jail in November after serving 10 years behind bars for the brutal shooting murder of Mr Broadbent and is now fighting to stay in Australia.
"Whatever she (Mrs McDonald) does to me now, her son will not come back and it (will) only hurt me or hurt my mother," he said from Maribyrnong Immigration Detention Centre.
"Fair is fair. I have got my family living in Australia too. I am not being selfish.
"I am not willing to go (to Turkey) because I have got no family there."
"If she (Mrs McDonald) is going through pain can she . . . think of my mother too?"
The killer, who committed more than 30 crimes in two years after migrating to Australia in 1995, had his visa cancelled in late 2004, and his appeal against the ruling failed in early 2005.
Under Commonwealth law, any non-Australian citizen who serves a prison sentence longer than one year is deemed to fail the character test to stay in the country.
However, Ince is in Australia awaiting a response from Immigration and Citizenship Minister Chris Evans, who he has asked to intervene.
He has been held at the detention centre for nearly nine months, at a cost to taxpayers of more than $32,000, even though the Federal Government says the appeal process generally takes a maximum of four months.
Mrs McDonald said she was shattered Ince was not immediately deported after he was released from jail.
She begged authorities to boot him out and stop him draining the public purse.
"This has made me lose complete faith in any law in this country," she said.
"I feel that once he is out of this country at least we can try to live again knowing we did get a bit of justice."
On the night he died Mr Broadbent, 26, had been drinking and approached Ince's car at traffic lights in Bundoora and grabbed the sunroof.
The car raced off with Mr Broadbent hanging on before Ince, who was in the passenger seat, sprang through the sunroof and shot him dead.
Ince labelled the incident "a bizarre tragedy, a lot of misunderstanding".
Ince claimed he was fully rehabilitated.
Opposition Immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone said Ince should have been deported after he left jail.
"It is now time for him to leave the country," Dr Stone said. "The public shouldn't be expected to continue paying."
Yesterday Mr Evans' spokesman said the minister would not be able to make a comment until the case was finalised.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25877570-2862,00.html
Immigration Department insists on killer Mehmet Ince rights
Gerard McManus
August 04, 2009 12:00am
KILLER Mehmet Ince has to be given his full rights to pursue his attempt to keep Australia his home, says the Immigration Department.
But Immigration Minister Chris Evans could rule within weeks on a ministerial intervention plea by Ince to allow him to say.
Ince, a convicted murderer, is using all legal avenues to keep his visa and stay in Australia, including an intervention by the minister, as revealed in yesterday's Herald Sun.
A spokesman for Senator Evans said the minister was unable to comment until the appeal application was resolved and Ince notified of the decision.
But Opposition immigration spokesman Sharman Stone described the delay in deporting Ince as "baffling".
"He is not a stateless person, he's a Turkish citizen, this should be an open-and-shut case," she said.
"After recent changes to the law, he doesn't even have to pay for his detention costs."
Ince, 31, served 10 years for the murder of Melbourne plumber Ian Broadbent and is fighting to stay in Australia after having his visa cancelled in 2004.
He is being held in the Maribyrnong Detention Centre while he pursues his legal challenge.
Ince's long-running case is believed to be costing taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars in legal and administrative costs.
Mr Broadbent was shot by Ince, a Turkish citizen, two years after he migrated to Australia in 1995.
He has also been convicted of dozens of other crimes.
Mr Broadbent's family wants Ince deported and has accused the Government of ignoring their concerns.
An Immigration Department spokesman said yesterday its views were unchanged and that Ince was entitled to exercise his rights.
Legends of 1980 said:I don't know what's more disgusting. The fact he only received 10 years for a cold blooded murder? The fact he has multiple criminal convictions? the fact he is telling his victim's family to think of his family? Or the fact that the Immigration Department says he has to be given his 'full rights' to try and not be deported back to his home country. *smile* his 'rights'. It's a bloody joke he wasn't bundled onto the first flight out of here to Turkey after his release.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25873688-421,00.html
I feel your frustration Legends.
What more can I say that I haven't said for hundreds of pages on this very forum already on various threads? :don't know
Legends,
Thought you would like this joke of a verdict as well.
"Accidental rape"
Imagine if roles were reversed and it was a bloke who claimed he 'accidentally' raped a sheila.....my God!
All hell would break loose.
Female stripper found not guilty of raping man at buck's party
Ms Naggs was accused of raping the best man at a 2007 buck's party with a sex toy.
During the trial, the complainant told the County Court he urged Ms Naggs not to put the sex toy into his anus and was shocked when she did.
"I was pretty upset at that stage,'' he said. "I could feel something was there.''
The best man told the court he scuffled with Naggs and told her to leave after the incident.
"She said it was just a joke, just a joke. I knew that there was something wrong down there.''
He said when he asked for his money back, the stripper threatened to call in bikies.
Ms Naggs' barrister Paul Higham told jurors if there had been penetration it was an accident.
"This is the case of the accidental rape, if there was one," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25886721-2862,00.html
Thought you would like this joke of a verdict as well.
"Accidental rape"
Imagine if roles were reversed and it was a bloke who claimed he 'accidentally' raped a sheila.....my God!
All hell would break loose.
Female stripper found not guilty of raping man at buck's party
Ms Naggs was accused of raping the best man at a 2007 buck's party with a sex toy.
During the trial, the complainant told the County Court he urged Ms Naggs not to put the sex toy into his anus and was shocked when she did.
"I was pretty upset at that stage,'' he said. "I could feel something was there.''
The best man told the court he scuffled with Naggs and told her to leave after the incident.
"She said it was just a joke, just a joke. I knew that there was something wrong down there.''
He said when he asked for his money back, the stripper threatened to call in bikies.
Ms Naggs' barrister Paul Higham told jurors if there had been penetration it was an accident.
"This is the case of the accidental rape, if there was one," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25886721-2862,00.html
Liverpool said:Legends,
Thought you would like this joke of a verdict as well.
"Accidental rape"
Imagine if roles were reversed and it was a bloke who claimed he 'accidentally' raped a sheila.....my God!
All hell would break loose.
Female stripper found not guilty of raping man at buck's party
Ms Naggs was accused of raping the best man at a 2007 buck's party with a sex toy.
During the trial, the complainant told the County Court he urged Ms Naggs not to put the sex toy into his anus and was shocked when she did.
"I was pretty upset at that stage,'' he said. "I could feel something was there.''
The best man told the court he scuffled with Naggs and told her to leave after the incident.
"She said it was just a joke, just a joke. I knew that there was something wrong down there.''
He said when he asked for his money back, the stripper threatened to call in bikies.
Ms Naggs' barrister Paul Higham told jurors if there had been penetration it was an accident.
"This is the case of the accidental rape, if there was one," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25886721-2862,00.html
did you read the details of the case or just the headline as per usual?
the guy was pants down, on all fours, on the stage with a stripper wearing a strap on. he wasn't up there for a latte
Tiger74 said:
Thats the debate though.....if it was a sheila bending over with nothing on and she said "no" and then something was inserted.....would the verdict be different?
We are told time and time again..."No means no"....yet it seems in this case, no means yes.
It doesn't matter what the circumstances are....that he was bending over with no clothes on or with an apple in his mouth....who cares?
He said not to insert the sex toy and she did against his wishes.
That to me is rape.
Liverpool said:
he said no (supposably) bent over butt naked - and stayed there.
I don't know about you, but if I say no I'd be getting off the stage. he stayed up there. why? what else was gunna happen?
he got attended to, cried in front of his mates, and this was his way of trying to say it wasn't what he wanted.
I've known guys into the whole on stage thing, and even some of my most perverted mates don't get up on stage. this was not like someone stopping her boyfriend from rounding third on the way to home plate. he was butt in the air with his mates cheering him on and a stripper with a strap on. he knew what was going on, and he agreed to it or else he would have been in his seat as the groom was.
Tiger74 said:
I don't know what was going on in his mind.....but maybe he thought that the strap-on was just for show and that she would "simulate" some type of sex with him for photos or something? :don't know
Again...it doesn't and shouldn't matter.....he asked her not to, she did anyway.
End of story.
Tiger74 said:
Part of the 'show' in front of mates.
Look at it as when actors make a movie....they "simulate" sex for the show.
Just because Sharon Stone strips off starkers and hops in the bed with Michael Douglas in "basic Instinct" doesn't give him the go ahead to actually have real sex with her.
They simulate it for a movie.
Maybe this bloke got on all fours.....she had her strap-on.....and he thought that by simply telling her that he didn't want it to be penetrated, that this is what would happen...and that she would maybe ride him like a horse, his mates would all get a giggle and take some photos, and everyone would be happy.
The thing is...she didn't...she went against his wishes.
Liverpool said:
don't you think the fact the judge found in her favour may mean the judge thought this denial was a crock?
as for your "its all pretend" theory, she provides a live sex show. not simulated, not pretend, a live sex show. thats why she gets paid more than the average stripper. the groom declined because he wasn't up for it, he was
Tiger74 said:
It doesn't matter what the show is called...what she does...how he was dressed (or undressed)....whether he was an idiot for going up on stage....all this is superfluous and means nothing if he said "no" and she then proceeded to go against his wishes.
We are brought up in a society where "no means no" when it comes to sex yet in this case, it seems that "no means yes".
And as for the judge....well...like any rape case, it usually comes down to the word of the female versus the word of the male as to whether it was consensual or not.
In this case, the female isn't denying it happened....she is claiming if it did happen, it was an 'accident'.
I wonder if 'accidental rape' will be a defence now for some males out there when with a female, as the precedent has been set?
Strange case anyways and a lesson for any potential grooms on this webpage. :hihi
