Josh Caddy

[tigerlove]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Would keep the seat warm until a draftee was ready to roll. The problem with Caddy is that he's hit his ceiling, he's one of those types who will always be in the 10-15 bracket as far as on field contributions are concerned.

He is a little frustrating because he does do things that are really good but just damn slow and that's why he can't get to enough contests. But I don't think drafting Barlow at his age would be the answer.

 

[RedanTiger]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

400k versus 800k sounds a lot but we're now stuck with Caddy whether he performs or not. Barlow was probably the best solution and then we could have kept pick 24.

That 800K figure was what he asked for and caused them to spit the dummy and shop him around.
With all the bad press he got at the time, and the fact no one wanted him, he would have signed for much less. Probably more like 600K.
Rockliff has 37, 28 and 28 disposals so far and named in best each game. Next week will tell a tale.
Barlow has 24, 20 and 34 so far. If you wanted a bull who can tag and get possies for two years while the kids develop he's the man. And cheap - contract and picks.

Rocky and Barlow getting the hard ball out to Dusty, Cotch and Prestia. Yes please.

 

[tigertim]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

So we allegedly used pick 26 on a "workhorse" to take the pressure off Cotch and Dusty....but he plays as a permanent forward? Makes no sense to me.

 

[leon]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Not sure any of these players have stalled. Last year was spent giving opportunities to younger players and the losses mounted up as a consequence.

Rioli, Castagna and Butler have emerged out of those opportunities. Others will too.

'Stalled' might not be the best term. But there's certainly an argument for these latter three having gone past them. CEllis and Menadue were taken in the 2014 draft, picks 12 and 33 respectively. Currently cannot win a place in the team; have played 17 and 19 games respectively although a year longer in the system. Butler also taken in 2014 but pick 67! Has only played the 3 games of 2017 but is going well and holding his place.

Jayden Short was also taken in the more recent '15 draft, but as a rookie, but has now played 18 games, splitting the games number for CEllis and Menadue. Castagna also a '15 rookie but going well currently like Butler. Markov could be regarded as more on track as he was drafted pick 50 in '15, but managed 8 senior games in 2016. Rioli was taken pick 15 in 2015, and he has virtually cemented his place in the side, I'd say, never looked back from his selection. Played 21 games already.

In summary, for their being at RFC a year longer and being taken as much higher draft picks than most of the others, CEllis and Menadue create some cause for concern.

 

[MD Jazz]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

So we allegedly used pick 26 on a "workhorse" to take the pressure off Cotch and Dusty....but he plays as a permanent forward? Makes no sense to me.

Yeh, not sure which games posters are watching. Caddy not playing a heap in the middle, reckon their improved form has more to do with nank and game style than anything.

 

[22nd Man]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Would keep the seat warm until a draftee was ready to roll. The problem with Caddy is that he's hit his ceiling, he's one of those types who will always be in the 10-15 bracket as far as on field contributions are concerned.

That would have been a generous appraisal on Griggs future when he arrived. So will let things unfold further on Caddy.

 

[ninjahaha]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

The problem with Caddy is that he's hit his ceiling, he's one of those types who will always be in the 10-15 bracket as far as on field contributions are concerned.

Think he's got more to show and give. Think he'll get better for us over the next few weeks and be inside our best 10 players.

He will play some very good footy for us I reckon!



But only time will tell. Three weeks in is to soon to call him at his sealing at the very least!

 

[shawry]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Think he's got more to show and give. Think he'll get better for us over the next few weeks and be inside our best 10 players.

He will play some very good footy for us I reckon!



But only time will tell. Three weeks in is to soon to call him at his sealing at the very least!

Well said

 

[BrisTiger24]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Think he's got more to show and give. Think he'll get better for us over the next few weeks and be inside our best 10 players.

He will play some very good footy for us I reckon!



But only time will tell. Three weeks in is to soon to call him at his sealing at the very least!

Agree. He will also be even more important in the winter slog

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Maybe it's just me but I don't get this angst over Caddy. He, Prestia and Vlastuin are doing a lot of heavy lifting. Caddy and Vlastuin in particular, crash packs, bring the ball to ground, block, tackle and create space. They are playing whole-hearted football and we are a much better team when they play.

Others are doing the flashy stuff and getting credit.

agree to a degree. i would like to see him getting a bit more of the ball, but he is playing half the game as a full forward, with the job of bringing the ball to ground and helping holding the ball in. as a team we are doing well at both of these. as you say he is doing the flash but is playing his role.

 

[Scoop]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

400k versus 800k sounds a lot but we're now stuck with Caddy whether he performs or not. Barlow was probably the best solution and then we could have kept pick 24.

Barlow is trickle slow and has zero presence in the air. So by getting Rocky & Barlow you are paying 1.2-1.3 for a short term solution. Barlow will be gone by the end of next year if not sooner. And pretty sure the money you are giving Rocky limits your ability to keep Martin. That's a no brainer.

Prestia & Caddy fit the age bracket we are in and will play a lot more games than the Rocky & Barlow combo. We are three games in, 3-0 and playing the best footy we've played over Hardwick's tenure that maximises our stars potentials. Last years list moves have been a success thus far.

 

[spook]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Agree with SCOOP and TOT.

 

[123cups]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Without Prestia and Caddy, Marchin would need to be one position closer to the breakdown. Cotch in and under trying to win the pill, Martin as first receiver.

Now they are one spot further along with more time and space to be dangerous.

No doubt PC need to perform in their own right but their inclusion makes the team better by freeing up our genuine match winners.

This is a popular opinion, but positionally, Prestia has replaced Miles so far. Caddy + Vlastuin rotating gives us that 1 extra inside mid next to Cotchin, so Vlastuin's positional change warrants more credit for Cotchin's apparent freedom than Prestia's inclusion.

But even then, it seems to me that Cotchin's attacking performances are due to a philosophical change, a result of a team-wide newfound attitude to move the football quick and direct due to a shift in instruction as a consequence of 2016.

I look at Hawthorn as a model of how we would look this year if we didn't change. Hawthorn is now learning that slow and steady ball movement has been thoroughly found out. They won a large number of close games last year due to their aura, belief in their ability to win a 4th flag, and leadership, but were bundled out in straight sets. In 2017, they persisted with their steady, controlled gameplan, while we're kicking long and quick in response to the adaptation of opposition defensive tactics. Both teams have all zeros in either the win column or the loss column, and Prestia/Caddy's inclusion has been overstated when appreciating Cotchin and Martin executing the team's new approach to winning games.

 

[Ridley]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Wasn't a fan of his recruitment and have seen nothing to change my mind. Would have rather have kept the mid 20s pick.

He's an absolute plodder.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

So we allegedly used pick 26 on a "workhorse" to take the pressure off Cotch and Dusty....but he plays as a permanent forward? Makes no sense to me.

Maybe it's allegedly not true?

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Barlow is trickle slow and has zero presence in the air. So by getting Rocky & Barlow you are paying 1.2-1.3 for a short term solution. Barlow will be gone by the end of next year if not sooner. And pretty sure the money you are giving Rocky limits your ability to keep Martin. That's a no brainer.

Prestia & Caddy fit the age bracket we are in and will play a lot more games than the Rocky & Barlow combo. We are three games in, 3-0 and playing the best footy we've played over Hardwick's tenure that maximises our stars potentials. Last years list moves have been a success thus far.

Exactly. I am a bit surprised after all our past failures in picking up 28yo+ rejects that many are suggesting Barlow should have been recruited. Short-term solutions is what has put us years back.

 

[zippadeee]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Wasn't a fan of his recruitment and have seen nothing to change my mind. Would have rather have kept the mid 20s pick.

He's an absolute plodder.

Can mark above his head to save himself.

 

[bullus_hit]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Barlow is trickle slow and has zero presence in the air. So by getting Rocky & Barlow you are paying 1.2-1.3 for a short term solution. Barlow will be gone by the end of next year if not sooner. And pretty sure the money you are giving Rocky limits your ability to keep Martin. That's a no brainer.

Prestia & Caddy fit the age bracket we are in and will play a lot more games than the Rocky & Barlow combo. We are three games in, 3-0 and playing the best footy we've played over Hardwick's tenure that maximises our stars potentials. Last years list moves have been a success thus far.

No way Barlow is on 400k, lucky to be on 250k after being delisted. He also finds a lot more of the ball than Caddy, so far he's smashed Caddy out of the park with productivity. I wouldn't have picked Rocky & Barlow, but either would have been preferable to Caddy. By selecting Barlow we also keep pick 24, Brandan Parfitt just knocked up 20+ possessions and is looking right at home on the big stage. There's the right player with the right age profile, Geelong also 3-0.

 

[spook]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Geelong is very lucky not to be 1-2. They are bog average and slipping.

We would have had to trade a lot more than pick 24 to get Rockliff, and pay him way too much. A bit of cake and eat it going on here.

 

[saigon tiger]

Re: Welcome to Tigerland - Josh Caddy

Geelong is very lucky not to be 1-2. They are bog average and slipping.

We would have had to trade a lot more than pick 24 to get Rockliff, and pay him way too much. A bit of cake and eat it going on here.

Cats as much as I hate them will finish top 4 again and will go close to a premiership in 2017. Will bend us over easily this year!