Ivan Soldo

[year of the tiger]

Soldo certainly gets a pass for his first game which has come along much sooner than anyone thought. The good thing is he should only improve and at his age he has plenty of time. The signs are good.

At the moment we can survive with two of either Soldo/ Nank / Elton as they are only there for structure - we don't need them to kick / average 2 or 3 goals a game that we needed in the past from that role eg Vickory to do.

This is because our mosquito fleet of forwards are delivering on the scoreboard at the moment and doing it better than we expected. As long as they continue to kick goals we can paper over our tall deficiencies - if our small forwards stop kicking goals then our bluff has been exposed. Again we have small forwards in reserve in Bolton and Stengle if needed to keep the current plan ticking over but I am curious to see whether we can maintain it al year - the thing against this happening is they are all young and might run out of steam.

What I really want in for a strong lead up marking forward to come good - doesn't have to be one of the big boys - could be a Lloyd or Lennon but we desperately need one of those two to come in and be the 2 - 3 goal a game player - there is still time for this to happen - if it does we are set for a very good year or two.

In the meantime- Soldo keeps improving for our along term plan

 

[leon]

its academic Arlo. He had no choice really but to go for the grab, and while Id tipped in too much hard liquor by that stage, I dont think it was like he spilled a soda. :don't know

I think the liquor got you. IMO it was going through for a goal. All Elton had to do was shepherd it with his big back ... but went for glory. OK, if he marked it.

How much did we lose by again?

But, best game he's ever played; finally held some contested marks (and dropped some other costly ones). Changing my mind about Elton; might make it after all, but worried he will never become a smart footballer.

Soldo faded after one Q, but will also be useful overall I think. Lacks speed and a real tank yet, but showed promise.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Agreed. Soldo is a work in progress. He now needs a couple of games to give him a proper taste before he inevitably goes back down to the VFL. He may well spend the next two years playing between the levels, a couple of senior games followed by a couple back at the lower level. Eventually, we will build some depth.

It is not quite too late to do this with Elton but he should have played more senior games by now. It is not a surprise that his best game is the game back in the seniors after being dropped back for a week. He was overwhelmed at first, went back and took stock and came back in better prepared.

Nankervis will not be able to ruck all season on his own. He is a 22 year old with less than 20 senior games. He may look more mature and play a bang-and-crash game but he is still raw and inexperienced. It is good to know that Soldo may well be able to ruck on his own for a game or two if needed and should be able to contribute in tandem later in the season.

If we get Soldo right, our rucks will be set for the next five years. Regardless of what happens with Griffiths both Elton and Soldo need to play at least another 5-10 games each in the seniors this year.

We've got better big man stocks than we realised, TOT. Now it's time for that mythic thing that we read about from time to time - development.

And spot on about Nank's workload being too great in his first full year.

 

[tigertim]

We've got better big man stocks than we realised, TOT. .

No sir, we don't.

We have 1 very good ruck (Nanny). Then:

1 crock who is the worst performing ruck in the AFL
1 workhorse who the game has past and is "cooked".
1 long term, long shot pup.

 

[tigerlove]

No sir, we don't.

We have 1 very good ruck (Nanny). Then:

1 crock who is the worst performing ruck in the AFL
1 workhorse who the game has past and is "cooked".
1 long term, long shot pup.

aww, why did you tell us who the good ruckman is, I wanted to guess which ones were which.

 

[tigersnake]

Max Gawn debut: 4 marks, 5 kicks, 3 handballs, 10 hitouts

Ivan Soldo debut: 3 Marks, 4 kicks, 5 handballs, 42 hitouts

Remembering he debuted against the reigning premiers in a tight, hard fought game

stats don't lie people, we have a superstar on our hands. 8-

 

[Dyer'ere]

No sir, we don't.

We have 1 very good ruck (Nanny). Then:

1 crock who is the worst performing ruck in the AFL
1 workhorse who the game has past and is "cooked".
1 long term, long shot pup.

That's some brighty stuff you've got there, tim. ;D

Here's what we have IMO:

One recently imported 22yo ruck who may already be in our top six players. (Double-edged sword - big slap in the face for Prestia and Caddy. The rest of the list really. Read closely.) That would be a pretty big improvement.
One crock who, unless the ball is 3M+ in the air, can't sweat and never could. And even then is risky. Or terrible. His crockness is a mercy, forcing us to try desperate options. That's an improvement.
One inconsistent change ruck who, for almost a year, has been destined to retire through concussions. No change.
One now fringe AFL ruck who twelve months ago barely deserved a game a full level below. Improvement.
One incompetent but improving ruck/forward who almost earned a paycheck last week after languishing at reserves level for five of the previous six years. And then only improved when switched to defence. Improvement.
The workhorse is a liability even at reserve level and should immediately retire so that Chol can accidentally get near a Sherrin twenty times a game. It is a great mercy that he is unavailable. Chol is a slight chance of making it. He may now get exposure.

Be careful not to read precise statement as understatement. Or faint praise as praise.

In conclusion-

We've got better big man stocks than we realised, TOT.

 

[TigerForce]

Max Gawn debut: 4 marks, 5 kicks, 3 handballs, 10 hitouts

Ivan Soldo debut: 3 Marks, 4 kicks, 5 handballs, 42 hitouts

Remembering he debuted against the reigning premiers in a tight, hard fought game

stats don't lie people, we have a superstar on our hands. 8-

He has to pass the Dean Polo Syndrome first.

 

[TOT70]

That's some brighty stuff you've got there, tim. ;D

The workhorse is a liability even at reserve level and should immediately retire so that Chol can accidentally get near a Sherrin twenty times a game. It is a great mercy that he is unavailable. Chol is a slight chance of making it. He may now get exposure.

Be careful not to read precise statement as understatement. Or faint praise as praise.

Love your description of Chol needing to accidentally get near the Sherrin twenty times a game to be useful. This is spot on.

I saw him in Round 1 of the VFL this year and I commented that he doesn’t so much win the hitout as jump athletically and wave his arm in the general direction of the ball.

I think we are on the same page here.

 

[tigerdell]

On Soldo he was competing against another young fella Boyd.
Interestingly boyd bludged the first quarter and a half, sitting forward.
So he was much fresher than Soldo in the last.
Maybe a tactic but it worked this time.
soldo will improve with match conditioning.

 

[Tigerfan]

Max Gawn debut: 4 marks, 5 kicks, 3 handballs, 10 hitouts

Ivan Soldo debut: 3 Marks, 4 kicks, 5 handballs, 42 hitouts

Remembering he debuted against the reigning premiers in a tight, hard fought game

stats don't lie people, we have a superstar on our hands. 8-

Considering how far back Soldo was, when he picked afl, his efforts to grow his abilities have been very impressive.

 

[leon]

No sir, we don't.

We have 1 very good ruck (Nanny). Then:

1 crock who is the worst performing ruck in the AFL

Given Hampson has a serious back injury obviously, that makes your post absolutely correct. At least one of the 'worst performing ruck in the AFL' over 2017. If you cannot play, ipso facto ...

So thanks for that insight. BTW, never compared his performance against Crows Jacobs in 2016 match to "Nanny's", did you by any chance?
[Just one little facet you could miss too was that Hampson played 100% game time]. {And 20 games in '16}.

But now he's down - so brave and gutsy supporters like TinyTim really should give him a kicking! That's the Tiger spirit. Go for it!

 

[tigertim]

Given Hampson has a serious back injury obviously, that makes your post absolutely correct. At least one of the 'worst performing ruck in the AFL' over 2017. If you cannot play, ipso facto ...

So thanks for that insight. BTW, never compared his performance against Crows Jacobs in 2016 match to "Nanny's", did you by any chance?
[Just one little facet you could miss too was that Hampson played 100% game time]. {And 20 games in '16}.

But now he's down - so brave and gutsy supporters like TinyTim really should give him a kicking! That's the Tiger spirit. Go for it!

Just because I mentioned "crock" and "worst" why do you automatically assume I'm referring to Hampy?

But i have to concede, you know, because you used the term "ipso facto" so you've clearly outwitted me... :rofl

 

[tigerlove]

Given Hampson has a serious back injury obviously, that makes your post absolutely correct. At least one of the 'worst performing ruck in the AFL' over 2017. If you cannot play, ipso facto ...

So thanks for that insight. BTW, never compared his performance against Crows Jacobs in 2016 match to "Nanny's", did you by any chance?
[Just one little facet you could miss too was that Hampson played 100% game time]. {And 20 games in '16}.

But now he's down - so brave and gutsy supporters like TinyTim really should give him a kicking! That's the Tiger spirit. Go for it!

Nankervis rucked all on his own against Adelaide. Hampson had Vickery to back him up. I thought Hampson actually had quite a good game for his 11 disposals, 6 contested, 2 clearances, 2 1%ers, 2 tackles and 34 hitouts. But whilst beaten, 22yo Nankervis playing all day against a taller opponent had 14 disposals, 10 contested, 5 clearances, 7 1%ers , 7 tackles and 38 hitouts. Hampson had a really good day marking wise with 4 contested marks, but let's be honest that's not a norm for Hampson, 5 games around that he averaged less than 1 per game. Jacobs played a blinder against Nankervis, he can do that, but it didn't help to have ZERO ruckman support particularly for someone so young and relatively inexperienced.

Harsh to knock Hampson now that he's injured but I am personally glad Nankervis's opportunity opened up as he, to me, is clearly a better option than Hampson for now and for our long-term future. I fear he wouldn't have been given this opportunity to gain such valuable experience if Hampson was fit and fighting.

 

[leon]

Just because I mentioned "crock" and "worst" why do you automatically assume I'm referring to Hampy?

But i have to concede, you know, because you used the term "ipso facto" so you've clearly outwitted me... :rofl

So, what, you aren't brave enough to name him? Well, actually that would be consistent.

And, ipso facto ... typically you have dodged any attempt to reply to the points in my response. Anyone can use a dictionary.

But, keep it up. You are a poster of heroic style, no doubts at all. Or, consider:

1) It's the Soldo thread

2) The man's out on the LTIL; most likely for the season. Who knows whether he will ever play again, even though contracted? As such, it's irrelevant for now. Comments such as yours are just for try-hards who excel in cheap shots.

 

[leon]

Nankervis rucked all on his own against Adelaide. Hampson had Vickery to back him up. I thought Hampson actually had quite a good game for his 11 disposals, 6 contested, 2 clearances, 2 1%ers, 2 tackles and 34 hitouts. But whilst beaten, 22yo Nankervis playing all day against a taller opponent had 14 disposals, 10 contested, 5 clearances, 7 1%ers , 7 tackles and 38 hitouts. Hampson had a really good day marking wise with 4 contested marks, but let's be honest that's not a norm for Hampson, 5 games around that he averaged less than 1 per game. Jacobs played a blinder against Nankervis, he can do that, but it didn't help to have ZERO ruckman support particularly for someone so young and relatively inexperienced.

Harsh to knock Hampson now that he's injured but I am personally glad Nankervis's opportunity opened up as he, to me, is clearly a better option than Hampson for now and for our long-term future. I fear he wouldn't have been given this opportunity to gain such valuable experience if Hampson was fit and fighting.

Totally valid post. Might respond more later, out of time now. But, would have loved to see just a few suitable games against certain teams where both played. Would have been a powerful combo, with Nank able to go forward at stages while Hampson hammered away. But at least Elton and Soldo show signs of a future.

 

[zippadeee]

Tap outs dont win you games. The doggies were running around like he was a training cone.
Wasnt happy with his game one bit.

 

[tigertim]

So, what, you aren't brave enough to name him? Well, actually that would be consistent.

And, ipso facto ... typically you have dodged any attempt to reply to the points in my response. Anyone can use a dictionary.

But, keep it up. You are a poster of heroic style, no doubts at all. Or, consider:

1) It's the Soldo thread

2) The man's out on the LTIL; most likely for the season. Who knows whether he will ever play again, even though contracted? As such, it's irrelevant for now. Comments such as yours are just for try-hards who excel in cheap shots.

I love you Leon!

 

[BillyJean17]

Tap outs dont win you games. The doggies were running around like he was a training cone.
Wasnt happy with his game one bit.

So you measure his debut game performance against the best clearance team in the league , that s objective :

 

[leon]

I love you Leon!

Always suspected it, but you hid it well at times.