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Ivan Maric
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tigerlove said:
I think we're restructuring, tl. And that Ivan will come back in R5. We're testing Hammer to see if he stays in. I hope he comes up.
To back Richmond at the $4.40 this week is pretty much to back Hammer IMO. A fraction overs. And I suppose to back Damien's ability to galavanise a bit quicker this year that previously.
zippadeee said:
This is a stark reality. He's a stepladder against Natanui.
Maric is challenging Vickery for a spot, not Hampson who's a genuine tap ruckman which Ivy hasn't been near effective enough at for a couple of years now.
I'd prefer to take Hampson west and give Ivan another week in the VFL, then look at both and assess whether or not to go with both or drop another tall to accommodate Ivan.
Tigers of Old said:
If we're not significantly winning the clearances due to extra taps then Maric's clear advantage in around the ground work, assured hands and disposal over Hampson's circus act with anything not involving a ruck contest is clearly a better option (even though Maric is on his last legs).
Adelaide smashed us in the clearances. I'm all for Maric spending another week in the vfl due to match ups, but mostly because he's not fit enough yet. Let's see how we do in the middle this week.
Barnzy said:
Think what you said in brackets is the most accurate thing here.
Ivy's round the ground work in the last season or so has been no where near as convincing as the reputation he forged in his first year or two.
Hampson is and always will be a liability.
Teammates dont know what he is doing and have no confidence going forward or back.
He plays anxious which infects the team.
Opponents do not fear him. Pendlebury ran towards him in q1 of rd 2 and just eased past him because he knew Hammer had no smarts or lateral movement.
We dont kick to him because we dont trust him. Lloyd burnt him on his own 20 out to go to a contest beyond him on Saturday because he either believed he couldn't mark it or kick the goal if he did.
Has hands of concrete and even on Saturday dropped mark after mark. He regularly spoils his own players. There was a great spoil on Saturday of two of our backs on their own who were going to swallow an easy turnover.
The ruckman is a tall centreman. He plays in the most important part of the ground. To have a clueless and skilless player in that position is a serious disadvantage to the team. One that is not quantifiable or ameliorated by hitouts to advantage
His ruck work is overrated. He hits to space but usually not where we have numbers. On a side note I think Miles is struggling without Maric who works to bring teh ball down to feet where Miles excells rather than open ground where he struggles with pace.
And after all that opposition teams win the clearances when he is rucking.
If you play Hampson you wave the white flag before you start.
Teammates dont know what he is doing and have no confidence going forward or back.
He plays anxious which infects the team.
Opponents do not fear him. Pendlebury ran towards him in q1 of rd 2 and just eased past him because he knew Hammer had no smarts or lateral movement.
We dont kick to him because we dont trust him. Lloyd burnt him on his own 20 out to go to a contest beyond him on Saturday because he either believed he couldn't mark it or kick the goal if he did.
Has hands of concrete and even on Saturday dropped mark after mark. He regularly spoils his own players. There was a great spoil on Saturday of two of our backs on their own who were going to swallow an easy turnover.
The ruckman is a tall centreman. He plays in the most important part of the ground. To have a clueless and skilless player in that position is a serious disadvantage to the team. One that is not quantifiable or ameliorated by hitouts to advantage
His ruck work is overrated. He hits to space but usually not where we have numbers. On a side note I think Miles is struggling without Maric who works to bring teh ball down to feet where Miles excells rather than open ground where he struggles with pace.
And after all that opposition teams win the clearances when he is rucking.
If you play Hampson you wave the white flag before you start.
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lamb22 said:
Agree, saturday was his best game for us, and the crows murdered us around stoppages and where picking off his tapouts like a murder of crows.
easy said:
That wouldn't be because our mids were often inept and easily beaten by any chance? Only Cotchin gained much contested ball. Your comment strongly implies that they started having to shark Hammer's HOs because he was dominating Jacobs.
It's obviously a training and communication issue. The ruckman should be attempting to hit it to pre-arranged instructions and strategy. Once the ball is bounced, his body and eyes are up in the air, watching the ball. He cannot be totally responsible if his mids don't make good position compared to their opponents. The ruck coach and whole midfield need to get this right. If he didn't get the HOs at all, you'd say he was even more hopeless. Look at the whole scenario. Even at centre bounces, the ball is often not going up straight, then opponent's moves will also affect, so ruckman does not have total control of where he can direct it. It's called reading the play; something great mids are good at doing. See Hodge, Judd, Mitchell, Selwood et al.
Should have played either A. Moore or Townsend rather than our team of 'rovers' in the guts. Thomson of Crows too tough and strong for them.
leon said:
If that's true then there's even less point in Hampson. You're saying that it doesn't matter where the ruckman taps it. It is entirely up to the midfielders. Play four midfielders and rove the opponents taps.
The clearances were us: 32 them: 39. Goodness knows what the disparity would have been if we had a ruckman in who didn't win his position.
Coburgtiger said:
You are either a complete dill or pretending to be one. Any dill can see that I referred to it as a matter of training - over years really but at least honed in pre-season - and communication AMONGST the midfield team. That is two-way obviously. i.e. the ruck is aiming to tap it to where his midfielders are telling him they will be.
So clearances were 39/32 their way despite Hampson winning HOs 34/28.
Key players, most clearances: US: Cotch 6, Grigg 6, Miles 3, Shed 2, Lambert 2 = total 19.
THEM: Thomson, Crouch, Sloane, Douglas each 7, Lyons 3 = total 24
Although winning HOs both at centre bounces and stoppages, we lost clearances.
Anything registering yet?
As for your last attempted sarcastic comment. Go look at the Bris. V Eagles match. Martin gave up trying to jump against Nicnat at CBs because he simply could not get near him in the air. It could be Maric's best tactic too possibly. So you might see it in action if he's picked.
leon said:
Take it easy, champ.
You know what registers when you say we win the hit outs but lose the clearances? Exact confirmation of what I see during the game. Hampson is an athletic big bloke who can jump, but is probably the single worst footballer I have ever seen. He gets his hand on it, but has no idea how he's done it, panics, and hits randomly. Our blokes set up as they would for a real ruckman, and get confused when their own ruckman hits it away from them.
But you know what? I meant no sarcasm when I said we should play an extra midfielder. Nic Nat can't grab it out of the ruck, because if he's tackled immediately, it's an automatic holding the ball. Get a mid to stay down wait for him to land and tackle him, and have an extra runner in the centre.
Or if that's too out there, get Vickery to do the same.
All better look options than Hampson.
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