Ivan Maric

[linuscambridge]

I don't know if anybody noticed, but Vickery was getting a long way off the ground in his ruck contests the last few rounds this year. He is about 18 months off becoming an A grade ruck prospect and with his agility and ball use we have an outstanding ruckman on our hands.

Do we need to sell the farm to obtain another outstanding ruck prospect? I doubt it. I would love to have a Warnock and Kruezer, but we haven't got the picks or players to get it done. Despite all of the bleating on the trade week thread from the darksiders, it is still just that, TRADE week. It's about gaining an advantage, not robbing somebody blind, that rarely happens these days. You have got to give something to get something, and we don't have the depth or draft picks to spare to get much done.

I think Maric is a good compromise, a workhorse who can compete and cause a contest and when Vickery matures the weight on his shoulders should lift and he can be a very capable 2nd ruck.

 

[cmarkidis]

If he bashes up the younger and lesser rucks, breaks even with the average rucks and competes hard against the better rucks, I'll be happy.

I reckon most ruckmen have a 3 or 4 year window from their mid 20's (except for the outstanding players like Cox, etc). Maric's window might just be opening. I hope so.

 

[SAF]

I don't know if anybody noticed, but Vickery was getting a long way off the ground in his ruck contests the last few rounds this year. He is about 18 months off becoming an A grade ruck prospect and with his agility and ball use we have an outstanding ruckman on our hands.

Do we need to sell the farm to obtain another outstanding ruck prospect? I doubt it. I would love to have a Warnock and Kruezer, but we haven't got the picks or players to get it done. Despite all of the bleating on the trade week thread from the darksiders, it is still just that, TRADE week. It's about gaining an advantage, not robbing somebody blind, that rarely happens these days. You have got to give something to get something, and we don't have the depth or draft picks to spare to get much done.

I think Maric is a good compromise, a workhorse who can compete and cause a contest and when Vickery matures the weight on his shoulders should lift and he can be a very capable 2nd ruck.

Great to see a post with common sense and a realistic expectation of trade week instead of all of this "we paid overs" type of crap by the arm chair experts on here.

 

[linuscambridge]

Great to see a post with common sense and a realistic expectation of trade week instead of all of this "we paid overs" type of crap by the arm chair experts on here.

Thanks SAF, mind you, I am about to go through the process of buying and selling a house.

I am thinking of inviting a few of the "experts" from PRE to come to both auctions. They can stand there when I am selling and abuse the crowd for not offering enough, and then when it's time to buy they can heckle the auctioneer, tell em their dreaming for wanting so much.

I may end up living in a cardboard box under a bridge, but at least I will know I haven't been ripped off!

 

[GoodOne]

Calm down guys, people are allowed to have their opinions. If some think we paid overs and they explain their reasoning then that's their opinion. There's no black and white right or wrong answer. Time will tell whether we paid overs or not.

 

[Phar Ace]

I reckon Maric will surprise us and will remain our #1 ruckman for a good 4 to 5 years. It's Browne's job, or the next young ruckman we get on our list, to force Eevarn out or wait until he retires.

On a similar page BigBear. Late starter finding his mark and confidence perhaps - at least he'll compete, extra hard against Adelaide! It'll take a little while to build a playing rapport with Cotch, Martin and Foley, but he'll be doing his best work towards the end of 2012 when typically we've struggled in the ruck - he's strong and conditioned.

 

[Tigion]

On a similar page BigBear. Late starter finding his mark and confidence perhaps - at least he'll compete, extra hard against Adelaide! It'll take a little while to build a playing rapport with Cotch, Martin and Foley, but he'll be doing his best work towards the end of 2012 when typically we've struggled in the ruck - he's strong and conditioned.

IMO i think maric is a perfect fit for us trust me i have a croation backgorund and we wanted someone like stafford with maric we have that got skills but got alot of mongrel in him he is going to help our other rucks improve to been talking to some die hard crows fans and have said he a leader on and off the field

 

[Berwick boy]

I don't know if anybody noticed, but Vickery was getting a long way off the ground in his ruck contests the last few rounds this year. He is about 18 months off becoming an A grade ruck prospect and with his agility and ball use we have an outstanding ruckman on our hands.

Do we need to sell the farm to obtain another outstanding ruck prospect? I doubt it. I would love to have a Warnock and Kruezer, but we haven't got the picks or players to get it done. Despite all of the bleating on the trade week thread from the darksiders, it is still just that, TRADE week. It's about gaining an advantage, not robbing somebody blind, that rarely happens these days. You have got to give something to get something, and we don't have the depth or draft picks to spare to get much done.

I think Maric is a good compromise, a workhorse who can compete and cause a contest and when Vickery matures the weight on his shoulders should lift and he can be a very capable 2nd ruck.

Yep

 

[bullus_hit]

Big Browney coming from a long way back. Was very unfit when we took him as a project as he could only train once a week due to where he lived. I made the mistake thinking he was about 23 when i posted in the list management thread a few months ago. Got a long way to go but its mainly fitness based. Kid can play.

I agree with those sentiments although Browne still appears to be very one-paced and a plodder. Still not sold although after reading some analysis on ruckman the other day, it would seem the best hitout to advantage players were all similar types to Browne.

 

[SAF]

Calm down guys, people are allowed to have their opinions. If some think we paid overs and they explain their reasoning then that's their opinion. There's no black and white right or wrong answer. Time will tell whether we paid overs or not.

Everyone is allowed to have their opinion, that's why I'm entitled to think that some opinions posted are a load of rubbish and say so. Some posters would think the same about me and say so too. That is what heathly debate is.

 

[IrockZ]

I don't know if anybody noticed, but Vickery was getting a long way off the ground in his ruck contests the last few rounds this year. He is about 18 months off becoming an A grade ruck prospect and with his agility and ball use we have an outstanding ruckman on our hands.

Do we need to sell the farm to obtain another outstanding ruck prospect? I doubt it. I would love to have a Warnock and Kruezer, but we haven't got the picks or players to get it done. Despite all of the bleating on the trade week thread from the darksiders, it is still just that, TRADE week. It's about gaining an advantage, not robbing somebody blind, that rarely happens these days. You have got to give something to get something, and we don't have the depth or draft picks to spare to get much done.

I think Maric is a good compromise, a workhorse who can compete and cause a contest and when Vickery matures the weight on his shoulders should lift and he can be a very capable 2nd ruck.

I am a darksider but even I was happy with the Maric trade. I went throught the club lists 4-5 weeks before the season ended and he was pretty much the only decent option who wouldnt of cost the world to get.

 

[TheCan]

If he bashes up the younger and lesser rucks, breaks even with the average rucks and competes hard against the better rucks, I'll be happy.

for a big angry croatian baaastard, I would expect, bash first ask questions later.

 

[Scoop]

I am a darksider but even I was happy with the Maric trade. I went throught the club lists 4-5 weeks before the season ended and he was pretty much the only decent option who wouldnt of cost the world to get.

Yeah, I tend to agree. There wasn't a all star cast of rucks on the move this year. Having said that, one ruck a year moves clubs and has a big impact. We traded down into 26 and got a low cost ruck. Even if Maric is just average, he will be a vast improvement on what he had.

We are adding best 22 players every trade period at a low cost. That is fine with me. Morris & Maric should be best 22 and vast improvements on what we had in those roles. If we keep doing that and adding one two stars via your first, second & third picks your list will look pretty slick. If we get players at 15 & 26 that can play 8-15 games next year the bottom four spots won't be easy to pick.

Back on Maric, still think he does %75 of the ruck work when he plays.

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah, I tend to agree. There wasn't a all star cast of rucks on the move this year. Having said that, one ruck a year moves clubs and has a big impact. We traded down into 26 and got a low cost ruck. Even if Maric is just average, he will be a vast improvement on what he had.

We are adding best 22 players every trade period at a low cost. That is fine with me. Morris & Maric should be best 22 and vast improvements on what we had in those roles. If we keep doing that and adding one two stars via your first, second & third picks your list will look pretty slick. If we get players at 15 & 26 that can play 8-15 games next year the bottom four spots won't be easy to pick.

Back on Maric, still think he does %75 of the ruck work when he plays.

I heard a Carlton supporter claiming the way we went about trade week was good for getting depth but wont win a premiership. Bit upset still u think? Obviously these guys aren't stars but we are keeping our high level picks and in fact gaining extra's to get our stars. Going about it well. We used to trade first rounders for these types. :hihi

 

[CarnTheTiges]

What the Tigers needed most was a ruckman with some experience and a bit of talent. Of what was offered for trade Maric was the best option. He wasn't overvalued like Clarke and the club didn't have to give up a lot in trade to secure his services.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Statistically Maric has more experience and has played more games than Gus yet averages less marks, less hit outs and lays less tackles. It's a relief he talks a big aggressive game otherwise I'd question if he really was an improvement. It appears most at PRE are sold so all I can really say is monorail!!

 

[feisty tige]

Not sure on the deal yet myself but have to back the club's judgement as they have been improving their strike rate recently

 

[Tigertool]

Statistically Maric has more experience and has played more games than Gus yet averages less marks, less hit outs and lays less tackles. It's a relief he talks a big aggressive game otherwise I'd question if he really was an improvement. It appears most at PRE are sold so all I can really say is monorail!!

It's all about quality, not quantity!

 

[WesternTiger]

I heard a Carlton supporter claiming the way we went about trade week was good for getting depth but wont win a premiership. Bit upset still u think? Obviously these guys aren't stars but we are keeping our high level picks and in fact gaining extra's to get our stars. Going about it well. We used to trade first rounders for these types. :hihi

Is the way the hawks went about it to some degree as well. Will take notice of anything a Carlton supports says after they win the flag!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Statistically Maric has more experience and has played more games than Gus yet averages less marks, less hit outs and lays less tackles. It's a relief he talks a big aggressive game otherwise I'd question if he really was an improvement. It appears most at PRE are sold so all I can really say is monorail!!

Maric averages 72 minutes per game, Graham 86, so Maric's numbers should be raised by ~20% for a more effective comparison. I agree that, statistically, the comparison isn't very exciting; however after last year's success with targeted players, I'm giving the club the benefit of the doubt unless Maric proves otherwise.