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Ivan Maric

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GoodOne said:
I think he did did due to his injuries and inability to leap to compete. You jump early to try and negate your opponent rather than necessarily win the tap out. It's a negative tactic.
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He did it because the mid field was crap and he tried to get a second bounce with all in the centre square to get a better chance to clear it. Ottens did the same thing
 
Juffaricho said:
No, you use percentage, so adding 15 points per game (2-3 goals) puts our percentage at 100%, simimar to Kangaroos, 9th and Essendon 8th this year.
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It's hard to respond when you keep moving the goal posts. You said 3-4 goals originally, so I used the 4 goal scenario. Percentage doesn't get you in the 8, winning games does, and applying the 4 goal scenario we would have finished 5th this year ahead of Carlton. Clearly it's ridiculous to say that Maric would have made that amount of difference this year. If you are saying that if we had Maric then we might have finished above North, well I agree there, I mean if we beat North in the last game we would have finished above them. WHo knows he might have been the difference in that game.

Juffaricho said:
Simmonds was very very good until the end of 2008 when I asked to trade him and cash in on his value. Since then it has gone progressively worse, But a slowed Simmonds as much better than those 2 this year. You think they were bad, I think they were absolutely horrendous.... fine we have different opinions...who cares.
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Simmonds had a poor 2007 due to injury. His 2008 was certainly better but the fact is we were still 2nd last in hitouts for differential, worse than we managed this year. I certainly don't care that wwe have different opinions but you're posting publicly so I'm in my rights to argue your claim that we had the worst performing ruck in 20 years, right?

Juffaricho said:
Again your focusing on the stats too much. When the Collingwood ruck man were losing a tap out they still compete and influence where the ball goes through body contact. Graham and Browne were giving "free shots" to the ruck men and they were regularly putting it on a platter. And how many times did we see Graham himself put it directly in the hands of the opposition for a clean breakaway. And don't forget the frees against for just walking into the opponent. It was a farce. Those things are what made our ruck work atrocious and the worst I have seen in 20 years.
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No I think stats are very important when you are wanting to make outlandish claims. Again, we need to do better, but the stats simply don't support your claims. I mean it should be easy statistically to confirm the worst ruck performance in 20 years right?

Juffaricho said:
And after all your insight you give the same summary. I said "if" we get a competitive ruck (I don't give a crap if it is Maric or someone else - just someone competitive) and I said exactly the same thing about our back line and young guys. Thanks for the amazing insight.
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No problems, if you need any further insight just ask.
 
frickenel said:
The idea back then was to jump early and get your knee onto the opponent's hip, thus getting extra lift from the opponent - much the same as a player who gets a ride on someone's back and gets sprung further into the air as their ride also tries to leave the ground.

These days i think you'd get pinged for shepparding!

Lade had a habit of checking an opponent's position before going up and seems to have passed this on to our rucks. It worked for him at the time, but in this day and age it seems that even looking at your opponent gets you penalized on the basis that the umpire assumes you ain't watching the ball therefore you're shepparding your opponent out of the competition.
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Fair enough. Just have never seen the best rucks resort to this so assumed it is trying to negate a superior opponent in preference to necessarily winning the tapout. But if it's a Tiger technique to presumably win more tapouts then we need to change this technique quick smart.
 
GoodOne said:
Fair enough. Just have never seen the best rucks resort to this so assumed it is trying to negate a superior opponent in preference to necessarily winning the tapout. But if it's a Tiger technique to presumably win more tapouts then we need to change this technique quick smart.
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We're all saying the same thing; and argueing about it.

The best rucks DON'T use the tactic, because they don't have to. They time their jump to meet the ball at the highest point and largely ignore the opposition. The moment you start jumping early you are admitting that you are second best.

We can't give a genuine contest because our blokes can't jump, won't jump, jump out of the way, or a midgets.

So how do you tactically deal with this losing scenario? Just keeping going when you normally would and lose every time?

1. You can jump early and into your opponent and hope to nullify or forec a second bounce. Then crowd 20 blokes around the ball to avoid them winning a clearance.

2. If you are Simmonds you jump early because you have a leap and basic geometry demands that if you are shorter and trying to get higher than your opponent you must jump first.

3. Or if you are Gus and don't like being jumped on your go looking for the body and try to hold your opponent on the ground and outreach him. Which will conceed a free kick sooner rather than later.
 
Heard the mid week Craig Cameron interview today. What was noteworthy was how definitive he was that Maric was in our best 22 and that we had been after Maric for a long time.

I have to admit I'm not fully over the line on Maric as a player yet. I not convinced he's as big an upgrade as we think, but after Houli I'm willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt and I need to watch Maric some more to form a definite opinion.
 
Geez the love for 'Mauler' Maric on the Crows big footy site is enourmous. He sounds wasted as a ruckman and should really be foreign minister going by the testimonials by crows fans. It seems the consensus amongst crows fans is

1. He is an OK ruckman, without being great ('athletically challenged' worried me a bit).
2. He is a great bloke and clubman
3. he never takes a backward step and loves landing on, and shaking the ship out of people.

points 2 and 3 are welcome news. Point 1 could well change, given he is only 25. seems to me like we landed 2 tough pricks in Morris and Mauler. essential ingredients to take a tilt at a flag. I'm pleased.
 
tigergollywog said:
Geez the love for 'Mauler' Maric on the Crows big footy site is enourmous. He sounds wasted as a ruckman and should really be foreign minister going by the testimonials by crows fans. It seems the consensus amongst crows fans is

1. He is an OK ruckman, without being great ('athletically challenged' worried me a bit).
2. He is a great bloke and clubman
3. he never takes a backward step and loves landing on, and shaking the ship out of people.

points 2 and 3 are welcome news. Point 1 could well change, given he is only 25. seems to me like we landed 2 tough pricks in Morris and Mauler. essential ingredients to take a tilt at a flag. I'm pleased.
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Angus doesn't even know what you are on about with point 3.
 
tigergollywog said:
3. he never takes a backward step and loves landing on, and shaking the ship out of people.
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Round 1 2012: Ruck - Maric

Midfield - King

I'd like to see that. >:D
 
frickenel said:
The idea back then was to jump early and get your knee onto the opponent's hip, thus getting extra lift from the opponent - much the same as a player who gets a ride on someone's back and gets sprung further into the air as their ride also tries to leave the ground.

These days i think you'd get pinged for shepparding!

Lade had a habit of checking an opponent's position before going up and seems to have passed this on to our rucks. It worked for him at the time, but in this day and age it seems that even looking at your opponent gets you penalized on the basis that the umpire assumes you ain't watching the ball therefore you're shepparding your opponent out of the competition.

In fairness to Gumpus, he got pinged for this so often it was almost comical. Umpires paid no respect to the fact that he'd contest the hit out, but first check an opponents position - which surely can't be illegal under the current rules.
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Agree with this, poor Gus copped a whack from everyone including the umpires. He's no star but I think there is a fair bit of over the top bashing of his performances this year. Not sure in how many games the oppositions ruck was in the best 3 players for their side other than Sandilands (and Gus was pretty important at crucial times for us in that game) and Mumford and they are the top of the tree for rucks IMO.
 
Tigerdog said:
4 years@250k wasn't it?
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Ta. Hope it works out.

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Danog said:
Suspended for Round 1 because of Crows b!tching ::)
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it would have been so funny if the Crows ended up with Kingy in a three way trade, and he's suspended for round 1 because of them

anyway back to reality, where it didn't actually happen
 
crow fans testimonials read like Andy Goodwin. Tough, unco, cult figure. Im intrigued by madman
 
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