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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?
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Looking forward to seeing what the latest polls show. Dutton coming out and backing "No" seems to have gone down like a lead balloon. Not get much sympathy from the media, front benchers quitting the front bench, Lib members quitting the party, Leader of the Senate not endorsing the No vote. State Liberal parties saying they will support a Yes vote.
So far it's looking like Dutton's ill-advised move has given the Yes vote a major shot in the arm. Interesting times.
So far it's looking like Dutton's ill-advised move has given the Yes vote a major shot in the arm. Interesting times.
Dutton's a Queenslander was never going to vote yes, his party is deserting him one by one.
Completely missed the point Bengal.
Doesn’t matter what is true, it is not a reason to vote against the voice. In fact there is an argument to say it is a reason to vote for it
What Dutton is doing is a diversion.
( Btw that stats produced are questionable. Firstly Dutton was talking about child abuse in indigenous communities in Alice Springs and the stats werE for the whole of NT for all reported cases of child abuse. Secondly reporting and definition thresholds are different, the reporter himself said that they are lower in NT than elsewhere.
But none of that doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem, it’s just not a reason to vote against the Voice)
I think Dutton has called it out ,whether it's a diversion or grandstanding or being sincere ,it's a serious serious issue that NO political has addressed properly.
The Voice won't fix that problem ,and if you say it will your just spinning *smile*.
The whole idea of the voice is to make sure that the indigenous populations are involved in decisions that relate to them and actions that are taken by parliament and government related to them.
There is no way that anyone can say that the Voice will not help solve the problems in Alice Springs but what we can say is that is designed to assist in that process.
It is a bit rich for Dutton to highlight these issues and say the Voice won’t help when for 10 year up to last year it was the LNP in power and whatever they did obviously didn’t help.
In relation to such issues there is no downside to the Voice. Saying anything else is just political grandstanding.
Political grandstanding thats what Albo does ,and why not highlight the serious issues that are happening everyday ,they are very serious issues .
The voice won't help these issues that have been highlighted ,because a lot of the people in these communities are victims,or are perpetrators ,or are family members of both,and they won't speak out.
It's a vicious cycle thats been happening for many many years.
The voice won't help these issues that have been highlighted ,because a lot of the people in these communities are victims,or are perpetrators ,or are family members of both,and they won't speak out.
It's a vicious cycle thats been happening for many many years.
And you said nothing about it during the course of the 11 years the LNP were in power, and neither did any minister in the LNP government.
Meanwhile the LNP continues to self-destruct as the Australian public reject the old culture war approach and more and more moderate Libs defect.
Absolute train wreck of an interview on Insiders this morning - Senator Price could not substantiate any data on child abuse in Alice, dodged every question, basically conceded she supports the Voice in some form and could not give one example of a positive policy to help indigenous people. Whatever Gina Rhinehart is paying her she's not getting value for money.
What a load of *smile* as usual .
Typical Labor/Green supporter tries to avoid the big issue ,and uses a heap of crap to make themselves relevant.
How long have the Labor party been in charge in the NT.
It's been substantiated ,but l guess you wouldn't know that living in a cave.
It seems to me that the deflection is yours and you are not capable of seeing the irony.
In the end we have an opposition leader saying that he won’t support a policy which in part is designed to provide a framework to address issues such as child abuse and domestic violence. He does that by highlighting issues of child abuse and domestic violence for which his party had responsibility for over for 11 years under a system they don’t want to change.
Dutton is a grifter
In your post earlier there is a subtle reference to the language being used. You are essentially saying that indigenous people in Alice Springs can’t be trusted to fix issues of domestic abuse and child abuse becauee many of them are the perpetrators. I would be very careful with that sort of language because there are clearly many in those communities who are not perpetrators.
Why should l be careful ,it's the *smile* truth ,how many children are sent back to homes were the assaults happen .
This sort of stuff has been happening for years and years ,but for some reason doesn't get spoken about ,if it happened to white kids it would on the front page of every news paper,there would be outrage,so maybe as privileged Australians lets show some outrage .
Also were in the Voice does it address domestic violence or child abuse.
As for the rest of the frame work ,they have the NIAA already which is suppose to address a lot of the issues ,with the exception of constitution recognition.
Home page | NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) works in genuine partnership to enable the self-determination and aspirations of First Nations communities. We implement the Australian Governments’ priorities and support the Minister for Indigenous Australians.
Good question. How many are there? And what's the ratio of kids being sent back in indigenous communities vs non-indigenous communities?
Yeah, she was pretty bad if she was trying to advocate for a No vote and pushing the idea that the Opposition have a better solution.
In fact, I don't think I have heard anyone on the No side give any sort of argument against a Yes vote that is fact based and holds any water.
Read an interesting quip the other day that is pretty spot on. Not everyone that votes No is a racist, but every racist will vote No.
There are quite a few pages here,https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/chi...care-and-protections-orders-changed-over-time
Because you are labeling a community.Why should l be careful ,it's the *smile* truth ,how many children are sent back to homes were the assaults happen .
This sort of stuff has been happening for years and years ,but for some reason doesn't get spoken about ,if it happened to white kids it would on the front page of every news paper,there would be outrage,so maybe as privileged Australians lets show some outrage .
Also were in the Voice does it address domestic violence or child abuse.
As for the rest of the frame work ,they have the NIAA already which is suppose to address a lot of the issues ,with the exception of constitution recognition.
Home page | NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) works in genuine partnership to enable the self-determination and aspirations of First Nations communities. We implement the Australian Governments’ priorities and support the Minister for Indigenous Australians.www.niaa.gov.au
When you can produce stats of the number of perpetrators as a percentage of the whole community then you can make statements.
You can’t.
Thanks. Interesting. I had a read but couldn't find any data on the question you posed nor ratio comparisons. Can you highlight where you saw it?
I can't give percentages ,but the fact that child abuse is happening should be the only thing that matters.
I notice you only quoted part of my post,maybe that's because YOU CAN'T answer the rest.
