Indigenous Voice Yes or No?

[larabee]

 

[Sintiger]

Queensland can still vote No as a whole, but the referendum can still win.

Majority vote across Australia AND majority of states - 4 out of 6. Territories are counted in the national vote.

There is a long way to go and I may change my mind on this but there seems to be a good chance the referendum will get up despite the LNP supporting no.
It would undoubtedly be better for the chances of the referendum if there was bi-partisan support but I am not sure the decision yesterday will sway enough people. I don’t think the electorate cares enough about what the pollies say anymore

 

[spook]

Did not think Noel was so naive to let Dutton & Co out manoeuvre him.

Oh, yes. The great tactical geniuses. They've outmaneuvered everyone. Everyone else is wrong. Peter and the Trogoldytes will save Australia from itself, if only anyone would listen.

Trouble is it's hard to listen to drone drone drone.

 

[eZyT]

Oh, yes. The great tactical geniuses. They've outmaneuvered everyone.

Labor plant, driving the LNP into irrelevance.

Omg that is genius.

He had me completely fooled he was just another nasty racist ambitious wueensland copper completely out of touch with Australia.

 

[MD Jazz]

Dutton to oppose Voice.

Hmm, courageous decision there. If this referendum gets up without the support of a major party, after the Aston by-election and the Federal election last year, then the Libs will look like even more of an irrelevancy than they already are.

DS

Yeh, its actually a good thing. The sane of the party will have the opportunity to bring it back to the centre.

 

[MD Jazz]

Heard the great man Noel Pearson speaking with Patricia Karvelas on RN Breakfast this morning. He's spent 15 years trying to get the Tories onboard, only to be betrayed after every election, when their promises about constitutional recognition waft off in the breeze. He's spent a lifetime working towards Reconciliation. We can't let him down.

After him came the grey man Paul Fletcher, a status quo do-nothing spineless Wet repeating Dutton-crafted soundbites about constitutional recognition and regional and local blah blah blah. Then a glimmer of hope for the failed Liberal Party in the form of backbencher Bridget Archer, who admitted she'd contemplated leaving the party but will stay to represent the like-minded Liberals who pre-selected her twice because to do otherwise would be to abandon the party completely to the right-wing hyenas. She and former Tassie Premier Peter Gutwein and current Tassie Premier Whatshisface will campaign Yes. Good on them.

Pearson is a great Australian. Always making sense. Always thye voice of reason. If only we had more leaders like him. What a man.

The current Tassie premier is a good man. Grew up on a farm. Community minded. Level headed. Given that, unlikely to last much longer with the Libs.

 

[Tigaman]

Ex Liberal Minister Kenny Wyatt resigns from the Liberal party as Dutton does not go hand & hand with Albo on the Voice vote. Cutting off his nose to despite his face.

 

[Sintiger]

Cutting off his nose to despite his face.

I assume you mean “cutting off his nose to spite his face”

Not sure how it hurts Wyatt to jump off the sinking ship

 

[DavidSSS]

Wyatt shows he is a person of principle.

Dutton just shows he is out of touch.

DS

 

[K3]

Ex Liberal Minister Kenny Wyatt resigns from the Liberal party as Dutton does not go hand & hand with Albo on the Voice vote. Cutting off his nose to despite his face.

My mum recently said to me... Son, you can't teach people anything they don't want to be taught.

I give you Exhibit A.

 

[Tigaman]

If Constitution Amendment Bill was to Recognize Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander as First Nation People only I would tick Yes but a Voice in Parliament No .

 

[DavidSSS]

If Constitution Amendment Bill was to Recognize Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander as First Nation People only I would tick Yes but a Voice in Parliament No .

All good then, it is a voice to parliament, it is not part of parliament so not a voice in parliament. Also the parliament has total control over the composition of the voice and how it runs.

I expect you to vote yes now that I've corrected your erroneous understanding of what is being put to a referendum.

DS

Oh, I should add, it is also Liberal Party policy to have a voice to parliament (they are a bit quiet on this at the moment) just they want it to be legislated not in the constitution, presumably so some later government can just abolish it on a whim, precisely why the indigenous Uluru statement said it needs to be in the constitution.

 

[AngryAnt]

Oh, yes. The great tactical geniuses. They've outmaneuvered everyone. Everyone else is wrong. Peter and the Trogoldytes will save Australia from itself, if only anyone would listen.

Trouble is it's hard to listen to drone drone drone.

I mean, Dutton has "outmaneuvred" everyone by playing party politics and not doing what's best for the country - big gamble. He's in the absolute do-do in the Polls so maybe a risk worth taking, he needs something.

As Noel Pearson put it so well - "he's put his own political hide ahead of the that of indigenous Australians and reconcilation in this country."

It will backfire on him.

 

[spook]

I mean, Dutton has "outmaneuvred" everyone by playing party politics and not doing what's best for the country - big gamble. He's in the absolute do-do in the Polls so maybe a risk worth taking, he needs something.

As Noel Pearson put it so well - "he's put his own political hide ahead of the that of indigenous Australians and reconcilation in this country."

It will backfire on him.

Can't remember who said it but the description of Dutton as a Tony Abbott cover band was pretty good.

 

[Tigaman]

All good then, it is a voice to parliament, it is not part of parliament so not a voice in parliament. Also the parliament has total control over the composition of the voice and how it runs.

I expect you to vote yes now that I've corrected your erroneous understanding of what is being put to a referendum.

DS

Oh, I should add, it is also Liberal Party policy to have a voice to parliament (they are a bit quiet on this at the moment) just they want it to be legislated not in the constitution, presumably so some later government can just abolish it on a whim, precisely why the indigenous Uluru statement said it needs to be in the constitution.

Nah two separate referendum issues.

 

[Tigaman]

In todays West Australian newspaper Warren Mundine a respected Indigenous No person states The Voice " It is a disaster ,it is a power grab by a group of Elites & Academics etc etc ".

 

[tigerman]

In todays West Australian newspaper Warren Mundine a respected Indigenous No person states The Voice " It is a disaster ,it is a power grab by a group of Elites & Academics etc etc ".

Mundine is just paying down an old debt.

"The government decided to contribute funding to a Sky News show hosted by Warren Mundine after Mundine approached the office of Indigenous affairs minister Nigel Scullion, Senate Estimates heard on Friday afternoon. The Senate also heard there was no clear measure of the show's success when deciding to double the funding for a second season, to an overall total of $330,000.

BuzzFeed News revealed in January that the Coalition government gave Mundine's company $220,000 in 2018 as a grant towards funding his show, Mundine Means Business, on the cable TV news network, following an earlier award of funding in 2017.

In Jan. 2019 Mundine was announced as the new Liberal candidate for the marginal NSW seat of Gilmore, replacing the previously pre-selected candidate Grant *smile*."

The Government Spent $330,000 Funding A Sky News Program

Warren Mundine took the idea to Indigenous affairs minister Nigel Scullion's office, which passed it on to the Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet, Senate Estimates heard on Friday.

www.buzzfeed.com

 

[Tigaman]

Mundine is just paying down an old debt.

"The government decided to contribute funding to a Sky News show hosted by Warren Mundine after Mundine approached the office of Indigenous affairs minister Nigel Scullion, Senate Estimates heard on Friday afternoon. The Senate also heard there was no clear measure of the show's success when deciding to double the funding for a second season, to an overall total of $330,000.

BuzzFeed News revealed in January that the Coalition government gave Mundine's company $220,000 in 2018 as a grant towards funding his show, Mundine Means Business, on the cable TV news network, following an earlier award of funding in 2017.

In Jan. 2019 Mundine was announced as the new Liberal candidate for the marginal NSW seat of Gilmore, replacing the previously pre-selected candidate Grant *smile*."

The Government Spent $330,000 Funding A Sky News Program

Warren Mundine took the idea to Indigenous affairs minister Nigel Scullion's office, which passed it on to the Department of Prime Minister & Cabinet, Senate Estimates heard on Friday.

www.buzzfeed.com

So !!

 

[DavidSSS]

Libs lose a front bencher over their stupid position on the Voice, if the ALP was doing this to cause problems for the Libs it is working.

DS

 

[Baloo]

Libs lose a front bencher over their stupid position on the Voice, if the ALP was doing this to cause problems for the Libs it is working.

DS

I reckon there is a good chance that Birmingham may quit the Cabinet as well.