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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?

How will you vote in referendum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 54.0%
  • No

    Votes: 30 18.4%
  • Probably yes

    Votes: 16 9.8%
  • Probably no

    Votes: 15 9.2%
  • Dont know

    Votes: 14 8.6%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
to be fair he's producing stats that show that child abuse is an issue, but he can never deal with the fundamental issue - giving indigenous people a Voice won't make things worse and will make things better on a whole range of indigenous issues.

He's totally committed to Dutton and Price's "do nothing" agenda.
 
"The Voice" has to be a good thing, because Lydia Thorpe thinks that it's not.............she makes a lot of poor choices.
 
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Dude, you've done nothing but throw insults my way this whole thread and you've still not been able to produce a single indigenous policy initiative the LNP did in their 11 years in power

Come up with one thing the LNP did in those 11 years - put up or shut up Benghazi.



80% do mate. You are denying the wishes of 80% of indigenous Australians, but as an old white man with a Eureka flag avatar you know what's better for them than they do right?

Lololol Comrade Ant ,you are trying to tell me that 80 percent of Indigenous support the Voice (which is bs) and the only proof you show me is a poll in the Australian ,which was open to everyone to vote,plus it was back in January .

The NIAA was introduced in 2019 with a budget of 5 Billion ,1200 staff,and now has a budget of 4 billion ,remember that is on top of spending on Hospitals ,schools etc etc for all Australians including Indigenous .

Now l have a question for you Comrade Ant....Can you name a single program which would just not have been different had there been a Voice, but which would have led to better social outcomes.
 
Now l have a question for you Comrade Ant....Can you name a single program which would just not have been different had there been a Voice, but which would have led to better social outcomes.
How could we possibly know?

Do you think there will be worse outcomes?
 
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How could we possibly know?

Do you think there will be worse outcomes?
Well the yes voters think there will be a difference,what will be the difference in programs that exist now ,that the Voice will provide and make such a difference socially.

The NIAA was set up in 2019,so with covid and state and federal lock downs there would of been delays in some programs,,getting material for housing etc etc etc
It needs time

Anyway l would vote yes ,if it was just about recognition in the constitution and nothing else,but thats not going to happen ,,and this is going to cause a big divide .
 
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Anyway l would vote yes ,if it was just about recognition in the constitution and nothing else,but thats not going to happen ,,and this is going to cause a big divide .
Seems a well reasoned and logical reason to vote no.
 
If The Voice gets in by the time they set it up paying white collar jobs, office rentals et etc in Canberra ,all States, The Northern Territory main country cities eg Bathhurst The Gong ,Alice ,Geraldton, Port Augusta there will be nothing left to spend on the people who need it.
 
Lololol Comrade Ant ,you are trying to tell me that 80 percent of Indigenous support the Voice (which is bs) and the only proof you show me is a poll in the Australian ,which was open to everyone to vote,plus it was back in January .

The NIAA was introduced in 2019 with a budget of 5 Billion ,1200 staff,and now has a budget of 4 billion ,remember that is on top of spending on Hospitals ,schools etc etc for all Australians including Indigenous .

Now l have a question for you Comrade Ant....Can you name a single program which would just not have been different had there been a Voice, but which would have led to better social outcomes.

Oh, you don't like that survey result? Sure, show me the data that says otherwise. Got a better data-set mate?

On the NIAA, that's an advisory/coordinatory body that was a simple renaming of the Indigenous Affairs Group in the Dep of PM&C. Its chaired by a white man. A typical Scummo PR exercise - no additional funding, no new programs.

Do better Benghazi - show me something real that impacts on the lives of indigenous people, not an rebadging of an existing government agency.

On the second point, speculation, but I'd suggest all programs and legislation will have better outcomes when Indigenous people are actually consulted and have input through the Voice.
 
Anyway l would vote yes ,if it was just about recognition in the constitution and nothing else,but thats not going to happen ,,and this is going to cause a big divide .

So you are all about making a real difference for indigenous people but you'd only vote yes if there was recognition but nothing else.

There you have it folks, Bengals is the living incarnation of Dutton's "never did anything for indigenous people and never will" mentality.
 
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Oh, you don't like that survey result? Sure, show me the data that says otherwise. Got a better data-set mate?

On the NIAA, that's an advisory/coordinatory body that was a simple renaming of the Indigenous Affairs Group in the Dep of PM&C. Its chaired by a white man. A typical Scummo PR exercise - no additional funding, no new programs.

Do better Benghazi - show me something real that impacts on the lives of indigenous people, not an rebadging of an existing government agency.

On the second point, speculation, but I'd suggest all programs and legislation will have better outcomes when Indigenous people are actually consulted and have input through the Voice.
So you are all about making a real difference for indigenous people but you'd only vote yes if there was recognition but nothing else.

There you have it folks, Bengals is the living incarnation of Dutton's "never did anything for indigenous people and never will" mentality.

What a pathetic and deflecting answer,but what did l expect from you

You better do your research on the NIAA better,the CEO IS INDIGENOUS .
This is from the NIAA WEBSITE.
At the NIAA, one of our most valuable assets is our regional presence and large national footprint with approximately 1,300 passionate employees working closely with communities in our urban, regional and remote locations.
So Indigenous people are being consulted.

If you can't answer my question ,don't reply .
 
Lololol Comrade Ant ,you are trying to tell me that 80 percent of Indigenous support the Voice (which is bs) and the only proof you show me is a poll in the Australian ,which was open to everyone to vote,plus it was back in January .

The NIAA was introduced in 2019 with a budget of 5 Billion ,1200 staff,and now has a budget of 4 billion ,remember that is on top of spending on Hospitals ,schools etc etc for all Australians including Indigenous .

Now l have a question for you Comrade Ant....Can you name a single program which would just not have been different had there been a Voice, but which would have led to better social outcomes.
The NIAA is a delivery body and one that allocates funding whereas the Voice is just an advisory body with no delivery responsibilities at all.
I would be interested in where you got the $4 billion budget number from? Perhaps you could advise the source?
 
The NIAA is a delivery body and one that allocates funding whereas the Voice is just an advisory body with no delivery responsibilities at all.
I would be interested in where you got the $4 billion budget number from? Perhaps you could advise the source?

 

So it’s a $5.7 billion budget over the budget year plus the forward estimates, so 4 years.
Still a lot of money at $1.4 billion pa but not $4-$5 billion
 
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What a pathetic and deflecting answer,but what did l expect from you

You better do your research on the NIAA better,the CEO IS INDIGENOUS .
This is from the NIAA WEBSITE.
At the NIAA, one of our most valuable assets is our regional presence and large national footprint with approximately 1,300 passionate employees working closely with communities in our urban, regional and remote locations.
So Indigenous people are being consulted.

If you can't answer my question ,don't reply .

You failed to come up with data showing that 80% of indigenous people don't support The Voice mate. Don't be a hypocrite.
 
Im quite sure we have gone over this before.

The indigenous population in Australia is quite small,but the substantiation rate of abuse in indigenous children is 43percent per 1000

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in substantiations​


In 2020–21, 14,600 Indigenous children were the subject of a substantiation. This is a rate of 43 per 1,000
Indigenous children from the lowest socioeconomic areas were more likely to be the subjects of substantiations. Of the 13,900 Indigenous children who were the subjects of substantiations and could be mapped to a socioeconomic area, about 42% (5,900) were from the lowest socioeconomic area, compared to 3.9% (548) who were from the highest.

Anyway l have put links in previous posts ,lm quite sure it has nearly everything if people search around.
Somethings may be hidden by the Federal and State Governments,something about privacy policy:confused:
You must have missed the point of my post. I acknowledged that child abuse is a serious issue. What I said was Dutton, and Price, have claimed kids are being returned to abusers- but have offered no evidence. Price claims she knows kids in abusive situations, but has not contacted the police because she assumes someone else has.
 
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Well the yes voters think there will be a difference,what will be the difference in programs that exist now ,that the Voice will provide and make such a difference socially.

The NIAA was set up in 2019,so with covid and state and federal lock downs there would of been delays in some programs,,getting material for housing etc etc etc
It needs time

Anyway l would vote yes ,if it was just about recognition in the constitution and nothing else,but thats not going to happen ,,and this is going to cause a big divide .

You criticise the current situation, and yet you say we shouldn't make changes.

What can one conclude from this, that you support the current problems continuing?

Hard to come to any other conclusion.

What are your solutions? Do they involve giving indigenous people input into the solutions, or just the failed white fellas know best policies your preferred politicians implemented for the last 10 years?

Lots of bluster in your posts but no substance, typical RWNJ. What a joke you are.

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"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"- Mark Twain
 
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Going on Bengal's success rate when it comes to the Vic Election and Federal Election, if he's calling a No win then that's a very positive sign for the Yes vote.
 
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The NIAA is a delivery body and one that allocates funding whereas the Voice is just an advisory body with no delivery responsibilities at all.
I would be interested in where you got the $4 billion budget number from? Perhaps you co

Order to Establish the National Indigenous Australians Agency as an Executive Agency



I, General the Honourable Sir Peter Cosgrove AK MC (Ret’d), Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and under section 65 of the Public Service Act 1999:



(a) establish the National Indigenous Australians Agency as an Executive Agency;

(b) allocate the name National Indigenous Australians Agency to the Executive Agency;

(c) allocate the name Chief Executive Officer to the Head of the Executive Agency;

(d) identify the Minister for Indigenous Australians as the Minister responsible for the Executive Agency;

(e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows:

i. to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people;

ii. to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people;

iii. to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians;

iv. to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation;

v. to build and maintain effective partnerships with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, state and territory governments and other relevant stakeholders to inform whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, and enable policies, programs and services to be tailored to the unique needs of communities;

vi. to design, consult on and coordinate the delivery of community development employment projects;

vii. to analyse and monitor the effectiveness of programs and services for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including programs and services delivered by bodies other than the Agency;

viii. to coordinate Indigenous portfolio agencies and advance a whole-of-government approach to improving the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people; and

ix. to undertake other tasks the Prime Minister and the Minister require from time to time.



This Order will commence on 1 July 2019.

So it’s a $5.7 billion budget over the budget year plus the forward estimates, so 4 years.
Still a lot of money at $1.4 billion pa but not $4-$5 billion

October 2022–23 Budget provides $1.1 billion more than the March 2022–23 Budget for Indigenous Australians-related matters, averaging $4.2 billion per year over the forward estimates.
 
Order to Establish the National Indigenous Australians Agency as an Executive Agency



I, General the Honourable Sir Peter Cosgrove AK MC (Ret’d), Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and under section 65 of the Public Service Act 1999:



(a) establish the National Indigenous Australians Agency as an Executive Agency;

(b) allocate the name National Indigenous Australians Agency to the Executive Agency;

(c) allocate the name Chief Executive Officer to the Head of the Executive Agency;

(d) identify the Minister for Indigenous Australians as the Minister responsible for the Executive Agency;

(e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows:

i. to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people;

ii. to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people;

iii. to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians;

iv. to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation;

v. to build and maintain effective partnerships with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, state and territory governments and other relevant stakeholders to inform whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, and enable policies, programs and services to be tailored to the unique needs of communities;

vi. to design, consult on and coordinate the delivery of community development employment projects;

vii. to analyse and monitor the effectiveness of programs and services for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including programs and services delivered by bodies other than the Agency;

viii. to coordinate Indigenous portfolio agencies and advance a whole-of-government approach to improving the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people; and

ix. to undertake other tasks the Prime Minister and the Minister require from time to time.



This Order will commence on 1 July 2019.



October 2022–23 Budget provides $1.1 billion more than the March 2022–23 Budget for Indigenous Australians-related matters, averaging $4.2 billion per year over the forward estimates.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander matters is not just the NIAA.
It sounds like a very good agency for the Voice to take advice from if necessary and continue its delivery role.
That will be for the parliament to decide once the Voice is enshrined in the constitution