Grand Final 2020 Thread Richmond Vs Geelong / Game Day Thread

[year of the tiger]

People here are underestimating Geelong. They are in the best form they've been in for 10 years. A good mix of experience, youth, energy, skill and toughness. Well drilled and playing with aggression and confidence.

We don't have any advantage other than the quality of players like Martin, Nank, Grimes, Edwards, and Prestia. I think at their best, they are better than anything Geelong can offer at theirs.

But we need our best players to play at their best, because anything less and we get consumed like Collingwood and Brisbane did.

We cannot rely on just being better than Geelong, because right now we aren't.

I think you can be quietly confident without underestimating the opposition.

yes the cats are fit and in form but so are we.
yes the cats have a good mix of experience and youth but so do we.
yes the cats have stars across the ground but so do we.

it will be a cracker of a game but for me, I am just glad we are in the granny - and are happy to celebrate that.

the edge we have over the cats is our speed and mental strength - both are powerful weapons

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Club	Avg Age	Avg Gms	Avg Gls	Avg Hgt	Avg Wgt
Rich	27.12	132.0	95.9	185.5	86.2
Geel	28.32	161.9	116.4	188.8	89.8

Geelong with the second-oldest team ever. They now own the top five places after their past five games. Also the 6th most-experienced team ever by games played.

Richmond's 22nd-oldest team ever and 2nd most-experienced by games played.

Third-oldest combined average age for any match.

Richmond 6-3 in GF's with unchanged teams, Geelong 3-2. Only the 6th grand final where both teams have gone in unchanged, and the third in the past four years.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I watched the Ultimate Preview last night. They concentrated on Geelong's stats finals stats and showed how Geelong had changed it up / turned it on / shifted gears / took it to another level. This is all based on stats.

Not one mention that they had two training runs against witches hats in the last two finals.

I'm not taking anything away from them because they our opponents tomorrow and deserve the utmost respect (until it's clear we've beaten them), but there's a fair bit of tyre pumping going about how their form line coming into the grand final is.



Round 17 wasn't that long ago and we tore them apart. I mean really tore them apart.

Haven't watched any of the football taking heads, or looked at any stats, but I have watched all the games.

If a finals side makes other sides look like witches hats, there's two ways to look at that.

The other two finals sides shouldn't have been in the finals. Or Geelong is completely dismantling high quality teams.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Club	Avg Age	Avg Gms	Avg Gls	Avg Hgt	Avg Wgt
Rich	27.12	132.0	95.9	185.5	86.2
Geel	28.32	161.9	116.4	188.8	89.8

Geelong with the second-oldest team ever. They now own the top five places after their past five games. Also the 6th most-experienced team ever by games played.

Richmond's 22nd-oldest team ever and 2nd most-experienced by games played.

Third-oldest combined average age for any match.

Richmond 6-3 in GF's with unchanged teams, Geelong 3-2. Only the 6th grand final where both teams have gone in unchanged, and the third in the past four years.

Our record as the younger team is horrible.

Though there's some confidence in that their high average age is impacted by a couple of outliers.

 

[zippadeee]

People here are underestimating Geelong. They are in the best form they've been in for 10 years. A good mix of experience, youth, energy, skill and toughness. Well drilled and playing with aggression and confidence.

We don't have any advantage other than the quality of players like Martin, Nank, Grimes, Edwards, and Prestia. I think at their best, they are better than anything Geelong can offer at theirs.

But we need our best players to play at their best, because anything less and we get consumed like Collingwood and Brisbane did.

We cannot rely on just being better than Geelong, because right now we aren't.

This is the way i see it, they absolutly got smashed by us, should've lost to Sydney.
Port beat them,
Got a Collingwood that was spent before the bounce.
And they got a really inexperienced and over hyped Brisbane.
Our form in the last 2 weeks is better.
We have won at flemington, while their wins have been at Pinjarra..

 

[caesar]

It just doesn’t feel like grand final time in Melbourne.

They're still doing Egg and Bacon Rolls, (albeit takeaway), at the London Tavern at 9am tomorrow so some traditions don't change

 

[DavidSSS]

Penguins choose who will win AFL Grand Final at The Gabba

amp.nine.com.au

"Two little penguins at Sea Life Aquarium on the Sunshine Coast have predicted the fate of tomorrow's AFL Grand Final at The Gabba."
...and wait for it.....they picked the Tigers.

I always trust penguins

Good tipsters. Given the year the kangaroos have had I wouldn't trust their tips.

Let's face it Geelong have had a couple of easy games, but they can only play the teams they meet, and they won convincingly. Geelong are a very good team, they have some strengths which can trouble us. I am watching all the old games and have just watched the 2019 PF. That would be the most instructive game IMO. What we have to do is to make sure Geelong can't close down our game. If we get this on our terms then we are a great chance to win. I think the greasiness of the conditions should suit us more, but some of the fumbling I have seen us do in greasy conditions mean this is not a given. But, last week we won a game in the wet against an opposition which was far harder to beat than what Geelong faced. We have had an extra day off and should be well and truly ready for this. We have been there recently and should have the right attitude for the game. It won't be easy, it never is, but we're in there with a red hot chance.

Plus, the penguins wouldn't be wrong.

Go Tiges.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Our record as the younger team is horrible.

Though there's some confidence in that their high average age is impacted by a couple of outliers.

Last four years we're 34-17 as the younger team, and 4-4 where the deficit is more than a year.

Younger teams win finals as often as older teams where the age difference is < 2 years.

Overall, older teams win 51% of finals compared with 58% of non-finals. Suspect it's because non-finals contain a lot of average teams, both older and younger, whereas finals contain only the best teams and age is less relevant.

 

[Baloo]

The other two finals sides shouldn't have been in the finals. Or Geelong is completely dismantling high quality teams.

Or, as commonly seen in finals, teams mentally check out after winning a big tight emotional match. Especially teams without a lot of finals experience. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have been there nor does it prove Geelong dismantled a high quality team playing at their best.

 

[waiting]

Leaving home about 8 tommorow. Morning got a big day planned, can’t find my 2020 scarf so 2019 will have to suffice

Enjoy nqtiger.

 

[Ridley]

Our record as the younger team is horrible.

Though there's some confidence in that their high average age is impacted by a couple of outliers.

There’s younger and there’s younger. 27 average age is not young and I dint think the comparison in this instance is relevant at all. Plus Geelong is one of the oldest teams ever; I don’t believe that bodes well for them. Plus we’ve got them for speed.

 

[bozo]

Agree - I think everyone, everyone has fallen into what they want to happen, not what they think will happen - all the emotion is on the cats, all the pressure is on the cats - all the media and supporters don’t realise that they are making it harder for the cats to win, that’s a lot of baggage for them to carry into the game for so many players never yet to play in the last game of the season - I can see another Adelaide GF performance coming for them if they are not careful.

Conversely - the tigers have them where they want them and are quietly, as Emma Murray says, going about their business.

I posted on another thread a quote from the Roar -
“The thing with Richmond is when they begin to play on a knife’s edge, they become their most dangerous and are so good that no-one is a chance of stopping them. Their work rate around the stoppages and centre clearances against Port Adelaide in the prelim was elite, and not to mention they boast one of the best finals players in Dustin Martin” - and the author still tipped the cats.

Yep that’s all I have heard this week. They are trying to will Geelong to win

 

[Carter]

People here are underestimating Geelong. They are in the best form they've been in for 10 years. A good mix of experience, youth, energy, skill and toughness. Well drilled and playing with aggression and confidence.

We don't have any advantage other than the quality of players like Martin, Nank, Grimes, Edwards, and Prestia. I think at their best, they are better than anything Geelong can offer at theirs.

But we need our best players to play at their best, because anything less and we get consumed like Collingwood and Brisbane did.

We cannot rely on just being better than Geelong, because right now we aren't.

You must be joking.

Our system has shown itself to counter Geelong at every turn. This is why C Scott is so exasperated and more than a little salty.

The cats have a very solid, classical method, but that means jack *smile* when you enter the kitchen with us.

We are not Collingwood and we are not brisbane.

No way burger, take a bex and have a lie down. I’ll put it down to pre-GF nerves

 

[UKTiger]

The Tigers just need to control the controllable and anything else will take care of themselves

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

You must be joking.

Our system has shown itself to counter Geelong at every turn. This is why C Scott is so exasperated and more than a little salty.

The cats have a very solid, classical method, but that means jack *smile* when you enter the kitchen with us.

We are not Collingwood and we are not brisbane.

No way burger, take a bex and have a lie down. I’ll put it down to pre-GF nerves

Yep. His credibility is on the line. Can see him doing something desperate, like trying to take out Dusty or Lynch early.

 

[UKTiger]

Just don't go into the final thinking it a done deal because it isn't. Two very good teams with differing styles with both effective on the day.

 

[daniel30]

The Tigers just need to control the controllable and anything else will take care of themselves

Yep exact words of Emma Murray.

 

[UKTiger]

Yep exact words of Emma Murray.

I remember it from a guy called John Still who was an old EFL manager of a few few years ago when his team LTFC was fighting for promotion. I even got the tee shirt - literally!

 

[Tigers of Old]

One great thing about this group is we know that they'll give it their all.
If the Cats are to win they'll simply be too good.

 

[Baloo]

One great thing about this group is we know that they'll give it their all.
If the Cats are to win they'll simply be too good.

Yeah, but they'll need to be too good for the full 4 quarters.