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Goodbye Mabior Chol

James said:
Bullus I think you are missing the point altogether. You are talking about the comparison of favourable qualities. The comparison between Cholly and Daw was focusing on their slow development. Talking about slow development and 2 out of 3 from a particular ethnic background when you could compare him with any other from a group of 700 is racist.
So we cant discuss “slow development” of people of ethnic backgrounds but only “favourable qualities”.

Can we discuss slow development of indigenous backgrounds then? White backgrounds? Can we discuss favourable qualities of white people?

Can I compare people based on their weight? Their height?

This is so confusing.......
 
Could we be waiting on seeing what sought of condition his kept himself in in the off season before we offer another contract ?
 
I can see you're point Jim. It was there to be made and contributes to us overcoming racism IMO. But in this case, I dont think I agree.

An example;

I have labelled Shane Edwards 'our shaun burgoyne' for years. I am paying Shane the ultimate compliment; Silky skilled, understated, game changing, black fella (there is nothing

wrong with celebrating

racial strengths IMO, although it isnt cut and dry. If I would say Alir Alir would have a *smile* bigger than Horse Longmire, I am being racist, whilst paying Alir ALir a strange sort of

compliment.

The key here is, it isnt simple. Intent also plays a part, although it maybe simply demarcate casual racism from formal racism.

If I had compared Shane Edwards to Troy Taylor, and said 'geez we should buy him a house, so he doesnt go walk about', then that is

1) extrapolating negative stereo types based on race, and

2) Intentionally using race to bring him, or troy down.

and I would be being racist, and possibly be a racist

I'll point out my understanding of these two layers;

1) being racist (verb) and

2) being a racist or a participant in racism

I think,

1) all of us will be racist from time to time and

2) self-identify, or accept its identification and correct it, to avoid becoming a racist and participating in racism

I think is also worth pointing out that 'australian' isnt a race and if people wish to claim white supremacy or black deficiency, however discretely, they need to contrast characteristics of

anglo-saxons with the more meletonin-rich races.

Its very tricky and very simple at the same time. Like many things.

further, I am aware my perspective may be wrong.

back on Mabs, I think his shown enough for another year.

If there was one spot left between him and eggs, I would bust the ball out of my bic signing Mabs
 
Chol wont step up next year. He will show glimpses of brilliance, do some very good things and go quiet for periods in the VFL. He is 21yo, still 4-5 years from feeling comfortable as a tall/ruck. The type of player on your list who clicks (maybe) in his mid 20's. Happy to be proven wrong but as for a 200cm lanky, skinny ruckman, it wont be until 2023 till he starts to return the benefits.
 
James said:
You are making light of something that really isn’t.
I’m making light of your nonsensical parameters about what we can discuss about who.
 
BrisTiger24 said:
I think you are missing the point that you think it's racist and majority of people disagree with you. Does that make us all wrong and you right?

To some, the majority of us are racist. The term racist has been diluted to mean nothing like what it was intended for which is such a shame as when we do get true racism it gets totally lost in the BS PC world we live in today.
 
Tiger Pops said:
Chol wont step up next year. He will show glimpses of brilliance, do some very good things and go quiet for periods in the VFL. He is 21yo, still 4-5 years from feeling comfortable as a tall/ruck. The type of player on your list who clicks (maybe) in his mid 20's. Happy to be proven wrong but as for a 200cm lanky, skinny ruckman, it wont be until 2023 till he starts to return the benefits.

Aaah pops

Your commenting on him as only being 21 - man that ageism or is that youthism

You commented on him being lanky - that’s lankyism did you not know

And to comment on him being skinny - that’s well that’s just plan going to far - commenting on a persons weight how could you

Lift your game for Pete’s sake ( :duh no, now I am being sexist) I meant Peta sake sorry
 
Coburgtiger said:

The Indian couple next door came around yesterday and asked if I could help move some of their junk with my ute, so I spent two hours out of my annual leave day (set aside for my own manual work) helping them load stuff onto my ute and driving it to the tip. Such a racist I am.

A light-hearted comment here or there that touches on race is a small foible in the Australian character.
 
TBF, I think most people could see you were exercising a slightly wicked sense of humour. Unfortunately, the PC police are not known for their sense of humour.

I took it as a favourable comment on Cholly i.e. he's going along pretty well, compared to some of similar background and experience.

[Uh-oh! I'm probably not allowed to make that comparison!]
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
The Indian couple next door came around yesterday and asked if I could help move some of their junk with my ute, so I spent two hours out of my annual leave day (set aside for my own manual work) helping them load stuff onto my ute and driving it to the tip. Such a racist I am.

A light-hearted comment here or there that touches on race is a small foible in the Australian character.

Good old light hearted racism.

The fact that you associate African people with home invasions is not 'a light hearted comment that touches on race'. It's a racist comment that breeds xenophobia and hate. But you have form there.

But you were nice to an indian person. So you can make whatever comment you feel like about black people without fear of racism. Right.
 
Coburgtiger said:
Good old light hearted racism.

The fact that you associate African people with home invasions is not 'a light hearted comment that touches on race'. It's a racist comment that breeds xenophobia and hate. But you have form there.

But you were nice to an indian person. So you can make whatever comment you feel like about black people without fear of racism. Right.

All good, label me however you like. Am comfortable in the knowledge that those fond of handing out labels are often, in practice, less principled toward their professed cause than they claim; i.e. hypocrites.
 
LTRTR , your comments are fine by me , people need to suck it up sometimes and say it how 'it is " people that were offended by your comnents , are soft middle of the line people followers, feel got to everyone but satisfy the government policy and hope and prey nobody speaks their mind " heaven forbid "
 
leon said:
I took it as a favourable comment on Cholly i.e. he's going along pretty well, compared to some of similar background and experience.

I agree Leon. By the way I think you've done pretty well not to have committed a mass shooting compared to someone of similar race.

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/majority-of-mass-shootings-carried-out-by-white-men/article_8b8b0145-c512-525a-8a7d-256bfb3a959f.html
 
TigerMad said:
Ummm no I don't …... what?

Tried some rhymes …..
Jimmy Jess

>Wore a dress?
>Hair was a mess?
>Liked to play chess?

The Ghost was based on his skin colour, now imagine saying something equivalent to a dark skinned player these days. You'd be hung, drawn & quartered by the media.