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Goodbye Mabior Chol
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Of course not. Didn't you pay attention to our politicians the other day? it's no longer o.k. to be white.tigertim said:
James said:
How the *smile* is it racist to compare one African Australian player to another African Australian player?? If I was comparing an African Australian to a white Australian or perhaps a Chinese Australian or Indian Australian player then perhaps there's some wriggle room for the righteous to invent a grievance. But the three players being discussed and compared Majak, Mabs and Aliir are all tall, athletic players of African descent.
TigerMasochist said:
I’m not a moral grandstander by any means and think labels are stupid, but I can answer this.
Thought 1: he’s black
Thought 2: he’s an athletic KPF, inconsistent, came to Australia at age 8, late to football, etc
If a comparison is made because of that order, the comparison is because of race. If it’s because 2 players have very similar traits or whatever, then race is inconsequential and may be more likely to be similar or not, but that’s okay.
If Choo was white but had exactly the same traits, would he be compared to Daw? That’s what it means. Doesn’t make anyone racist just because of a harmless comparison though
tigertim said:
Yeah but if you do, you’ll end up comparing Balta to Nankervis because they’re both white, undersized rucks.
Or ignore race and compare Balta to Rance because of his athleticism, pace, rawness and desperation,
The whole point is to just ignore race altogether and look at the individual, that’s all
Silly stuff.
Same as comparing players from Tassie or France or NZ or Mars. It's just sifting on who's better from somewhere. We can say Usain Bolt is better than any athletes from Jamaica.
Same as comparing players from Tassie or France or NZ or Mars. It's just sifting on who's better from somewhere. We can say Usain Bolt is better than any athletes from Jamaica.
Always thought that Ronald McDonald would make a great tagger. Ling was good but Ronald has a great boot on him.
I'm not comparing them because they both have Fanta pants, but they are both ugly muvva f#%#ers!
I'm not comparing them because they both have Fanta pants, but they are both ugly muvva f#%#ers!
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It becomes racist when you compare the slowness of their development. When that is the context as it was, the comparison is racist because there are what 3 African Australians out of a total of some 700 AFL listed players .Why not talk about Choly and any one but an African player who has also been a slow developer.
The offensive part comes from the fact that you chose to compare the two not just because they are both slow developers but because they are slow developers (in your opinion) and also African.
TigerMasochist said:
It becomes racist when you compare the slowness of their development. When that is the context as it was, the comparison is racist because there are what 3 African Australians out of a total of some 700 AFL listed players .Why not talk about Choly and any one but an African player who has also been a slow developer.
The offensive part comes from the fact that you chose to compare the two not just because they are both slow developers but because they are slow developers (in your opinion) and also African.
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Sorry, James, but by this account or attempted definition of racism, then it must have been racist when Allir matched up on Daw in that great match between Norf and the Swans. The fantastic contest it created with Daw kicking the winning goal while Allir was his opponent, led to concentrated attention from the football media and public during the match and for days afterwards. It led to much comparison of their African back-stories, paths to AFL, careers thus far and respective future prospects, along with much really positive coverage for the great potential of players of Sudanese or other African background. It seemed a great AFL story at the time and harbinger of (hopefully) many more.
Yet, this appears racist by your narrow vision because: everyone fell into only comparing the two African-born players in the match instead of rightfully(?) comparing them 'indiscriminately' with other players of different race, colour and ethnicity from amongst the remaining 42 players on the field. And were the coaches racist also in playing them on each other, instead of selecting a non-African match-up?
You must know that coaches have commonly matched a star indigenous player with their own in order to counteract a similar silky skill-set and style e.g Jetta on a Rioli. So this has been racist?
In the end, did you take great offence? Or, more to the point, is there a coloured person who has?
James said:
Sorry, James, but by this account or attempted definition of racism, then it must have been racist when Allir matched up on Daw in that great match between Norf and the Swans. The fantastic contest it created with Daw kicking the winning goal while Allir was his opponent, led to concentrated attention from the football media and public during the match and for days afterwards. It led to much comparison of their African back-stories, paths to AFL, careers thus far and respective future prospects, along with much really positive coverage for the great potential of players of Sudanese or other African background. It seemed a great AFL story at the time and harbinger of (hopefully) many more.
Yet, this appears racist by your narrow vision because: everyone fell into only comparing the two African-born players in the match instead of rightfully(?) comparing them 'indiscriminately' with other players of different race, colour and ethnicity from amongst the remaining 42 players on the field. And were the coaches racist also in playing them on each other, instead of selecting a non-African match-up?
You must know that coaches have commonly matched a star indigenous player with their own in order to counteract a similar silky skill-set and style e.g Jetta on a Rioli. So this has been racist?
In the end, did you take great offence? Or, more to the point, is there a coloured person who has?
Given Sudanese players are new to the game I don't see any problem comparing their development, in fact it's an excellent case study as to what works & what doesn't. Don't see a problem with comparing Irish players, they have their own unique challenges compared to those who have grown up kicking a different shaped ball. From the limited sample Africans are often very lean, mobile & can jump. We could even go back and look at how these genetic traits have evolved over time. When AFL footballers head to America to become punters do people cringe when the Yanks talk about the Aussies as a collective? In all honesty the political correctness I'm seeing has gone overboard. When Maurice Rioli was playing it was totally fine to talk use banter like 'black magic', in fact most Tiger supporters put Maurice on a pedestal and justifiably so. The same goes for Michael Mitchell & to a lesser extent Phil Egan. Peter Daicos was known as the Macedonian Marvel, Paul Vander Harr was known as the Flying Dutchman, Jimmy Jess got his nickname based on you know what. Maybe I'm too old for all this but people look & play differently & to deny that racial identity has something to do with it is being a tad bit over sensitive.
Bullus I think you are missing the point altogether. You are talking about the comparison of favourable qualities. The comparison between Cholly and Daw was focusing on their slow development. Talking about slow development and 2 out of 3 from a particular ethnic background when you could compare him with any other from a group of 700 is racist.
James said:
I think you are missing the point that you think it's racist and majority of people disagree with you. Does that make us all wrong and you right?
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