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Goodbye Mabior Chol
- Thread starter Rancey18
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Quite happy to delist Elton, Moore, Maric, Hampson and even Chol.
Need to clear the decks with these spuds and not recruit new spuds.
Shopping list:
A KPF/Ruck type as a FA.
Draft 2 developing KPFs with at least one able to ruck.
A depth KPF in case our FA/Jack goes down. Someone cheap.
Outside of our current 22 our big man stocks are a disgrace.
Need to clear the decks with these spuds and not recruit new spuds.
Shopping list:
A KPF/Ruck type as a FA.
Draft 2 developing KPFs with at least one able to ruck.
A depth KPF in case our FA/Jack goes down. Someone cheap.
Outside of our current 22 our big man stocks are a disgrace.
Barnzy said:
Not sure why you think it is amazing. C Moore was only a rookie pick #12, very unlikely to come good. The real problem isn't selecting these types, it's how long we keep them on our list once it's clear they aren't good enough. Keep churning, increases your chances of a diamond in the rough.
tigerlove said:
Moore and Elton are both super athletic talls that can take a mark.
But they're dumb footballers with some of the worst foot skills I've ever seen. If you line them both up from 40 dead in front, they're lucky to scrape it in for a behind.
Would think that is a non negotiable for key forward. Especially when so limited elsewhere. So yes I think it's amazing we keep picking up key forwards who can't kick for goal, whether in the rookie draft or pick 26.
My issue with our KPP drafted in FJs time is there always more athletic types then footy nous types....generally not aggressive players either.......... Except Jack an Rance obviously .
On Chol his got time and a lot of tools that can suit the modern game, his not a lock , however I think his a chance and he has allready kicked small bags of 3 an 4 goals, plenty of others in the past have failed to do that early on in there VFL careers
On Chol his got time and a lot of tools that can suit the modern game, his not a lock , however I think his a chance and he has allready kicked small bags of 3 an 4 goals, plenty of others in the past have failed to do that early on in there VFL careers
Barnzy said:
Yeah well I don't look at it so black and white or obvious. There have been plenty of tall youngsters who couldn't kick for goal when they were recruited but became much better and it, and even vice versa some great looking goal kickers as youngsters turn to crap because they couldn't handle the added pass and pressure. Then talls often aren't recruited with a pure focus as a forward, often a reasonable forward as a youngster becomes a much better backman (Astbury for example). To me picking a rookie or bottom of the barrel draft pick isn't going to guarantee someone who is a great disposer. Many successful 2nd string talls aren't necessarily great disposers but provide other very important attributes. Again I am not surprised by the quality of the lower picks, they will have many more potential deficiencies, it's that we keep them so long. Elton is in his 6th season and played 4 games before this season. Surely after 3 or so years you either give them more AFL game time to prove themselves or you ship them out. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Geez I made sure that 4 goal game stuck in my head , I did think he would have kicked more then that, though he did spend a lot of time down back last year didn't he. I suppose it's what you look for in a young KPP , I like to think he's got some very good traits, considering his story and the fact his now in the AFL system and gone threw a big body change, I too am hopeful but more convinced that we have something to work with more then our other talls.tigerlove said:
I reckon most times bigwow ,with kids who appear not interested it's simply confidence, there's a few boys on our list who may appear a bit soft or disinterested to some, but I just think most of the time it's just scared of getting in the way of a senior player , takes time for some to realise there good enough to do the job themselves , then there's the od case of young blokes havin the CBFsbigwow said:
Chol was good last week so this was disappointing. Needs consistent performances if he wants a senior birth.
CC TIGER said:
imo if this is your natural personality you're already one step behind as it is very difficult to change one's personality in respect to attack on the ball. Have to have killer instinct at AFL level unless you are very very talented.
tigerlove said:
Chol does have a competitive instinct, it was a standout feature a junior level.
A lot don't get drafted now because they don't have competive instincts, however not all can be Joel Selwoods at the start of there career. There's a difference between having a killer instinct and simply starting out your career and finding your feet, also most are kids playing against kids to all of a sudden playing against men.tigerlove said:
I've written elsewhere that Maric should retire immediately so that Chol can accidentally get next to the Sherrin twenty times a game. So that he has to get involved.
Mabs is a very immature footballer. He lacks confidence and experience, goes at some times and not at others. He's going to take work and time.
His marking can be very poor. But he gets awesome air and his recovery is freakish. His ground skills, evasion and use can be those of a small. His kicking is something to behold at its best. But he doesn't get a kick.
Fair enough. He's a 20yo rookie pick. But it is time to lift.
Chol played ruck last week in the magoos. And he couldn't hide from the football. It was chasing him. FMD it was finding him too. Chol's a footballer. He can play. Just not often enough or intensely enough.
Ruck in the VFL is the go for him. No more Maric. Changing with Soldo.
Here's what Craig McRae had to say about his most recent game-
Mabior Chol
11 disposals, 10 hitouts, one clearance, two tackles.
Played in the ruck. Played little to no time in the forward line this week, which is good for his development.
Notice that he didn't mention 'hard running'.
Mabs is a very immature footballer. He lacks confidence and experience, goes at some times and not at others. He's going to take work and time.
His marking can be very poor. But he gets awesome air and his recovery is freakish. His ground skills, evasion and use can be those of a small. His kicking is something to behold at its best. But he doesn't get a kick.
Fair enough. He's a 20yo rookie pick. But it is time to lift.
Chol played ruck last week in the magoos. And he couldn't hide from the football. It was chasing him. FMD it was finding him too. Chol's a footballer. He can play. Just not often enough or intensely enough.
Ruck in the VFL is the go for him. No more Maric. Changing with Soldo.
Here's what Craig McRae had to say about his most recent game-
Mabior Chol
11 disposals, 10 hitouts, one clearance, two tackles.
Played in the ruck. Played little to no time in the forward line this week, which is good for his development.
Notice that he didn't mention 'hard running'.
Dyer'ere said:
Spot on Jack. Ivvy now purely there to assist development not hinder it.
Chol is an interesting project for us. I think he's got the tool to make it. If he fails it will further cement the question over our ability to develop talls.
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