Global Warming

[Willo]

So Willo, you had lots of days over 100F as a kid in the 60s/70s and more recently it was 46.3C which is 115F - wow, they're correct, the hotter days are getting hotter.

DS

Yeah, it only got to 46.2999C. So they must be correct. No much difference when it’s 40-45. It’s *smile* hot.

Well it got to 50.7deg C at Oodnadatta on January 2 1960. Why hasn’t it been hotter in the the last 64 years?
The hottest day on record was 56.7degC July 10 1913 at Furnace Creek Ranch (aptly named) . Why hasn’t it been hotter than that?

Are the colder days getting colder?
Are the wetter days getting wetter?
Are the drier days getting drier?

What about windy days? Are they windier? Calm days calmer?

 

[Big Tiger]

Yeah, it only got to 46.2999C. So they must be correct. No much difference when it’s 40-45. It’s *smile* hot.

Well it got to 50.7deg C at Oodnadatta on January 2 1960. Why hasn’t it been hotter in the the last 64 years?
The hottest day on record was 56.7degC July 10 1913 at Furnace Creek Ranch (aptly named) . Why hasn’t it been hotter than that?

Are the colder days getting colder?
Are the wetter days getting wetter?
Are the drier days getting drier?

What about windy days? Are they windier? Calm days calmer?

Yep, it's called weather. Eventually, if you wait long enough, all records get surpassed. Winx's 4 Cox plates, never been done before, climate change.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I don't reckon money was "wasted on desal".

The Wonthaggi desalination plant was built because of the stage 3 water restrictions that were in place for over 2 years. Melbourne's water reservoirs were down to 20 odd percent.

After below average rainfall for over 10 years, it eventually p!ssed down, and the water restrictions were lifted.

Just did a quick sniff around the desal plant. Bracksy announced it in June 2007 when capacity had dropped to 28.4%. Guess what? It started raining straight after he called it capacity was back up around 40% by end of 2007 and climbing.
Finished in 2012 n capacity at 81%. Never actually been needed since it opened, but there's an ongoing cost for it of over 600 mill per year for 27 years with extra costs if we order any water just to make sure the thing keeps working n doesn't get all clogged up with cobwebs. Apparently we even had to build a special little wind farm to ensure the place even had some electricity. Even with a heap of population growth over recent years we still haven't come close to needing this thing and all because possibly building a new dam has been banned for years and years. Same as we ban gas n coal n nukes and everything else that keeps a modern industrial country operating.

 

[tigerman]

Just did a quick sniff around the desal plant. Bracksy announced it in June 2007 when capacity had dropped to 28.4%. Guess what? It started raining straight after he called it capacity was back up around 40% by end of 2007 and climbing.
Finished in 2012 n capacity at 81%. Never actually been needed since it opened, but there's an ongoing cost for it of over 600 mill per year for 27 years with extra costs if we order any water just to make sure the thing keeps working n doesn't get all clogged up with cobwebs. Apparently we even had to build a special little wind farm to ensure the place even had some electricity. Even with a heap of population growth over recent years we still haven't come close to needing this thing and all because possibly building a new dam has been banned for years and years. Same as we ban gas n coal n nukes and everything else that keeps a modern industrial country operating.

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, the reservoir capacities were down to 28.4%, having fallen 20% in the previous year because of draught.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, the reservoir capacities were down to 28.4%, having fallen 20% in the previous year because of draught.

Doesn't need hindsight, if the flogs in Govt didn't pander to the *smile* greenies n built the occasional dam to allow for drought periods n population growth then there wouldn't be the need to panic build a desal plant that's never been needed in a region that didn't even have the capacity to power the *smile* thing.

 

[DavidSSS]

Dams do nothing when it doesn't rain. Silly argument.

In the US, Kentucky specifically, the coal mines are closing and being replaced with nuclear power plants, oh sorry, got that wrong, solar farms. This is despite the fact that the USA has years of nuclear experience and expertise, but I suppose they still have no solution for the toxic radioactive waste so adding to that would be a problem which won't go away for 250,000 years.

DS

 

[tigerman]

Doesn't need hindsight, if the flogs in Govt didn't pander to the *smile* greenies n built the occasional dam to allow for drought periods n population growth then there wouldn't be the need to panic build a desal plant that's never been needed in a region that didn't even have the capacity to power the *smile* thing.

Dams prevent run off into river systems, contributing to rivers running dry in times of draught causing massive fish deaths.

The desalination plant is doing it's job, it's topping up Melbourne's water reservoirs, that is it's purpose.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Dams do nothing when it doesn't rain. Silly argument.

But they catch n store a massive amount of water when it rains like it has been for the last dozen years. Most of them manky old dams built some forty or more years ago simply can't hold all the supply they've been getting lately n pouring heaps back down the creeks n rivers, oh *smile* community flooding again.
Could easily have saved up enough water to handle a 20 year drought, and also built up some inland touristy type water holiday playground resorts at the same time n generated some revenue.
Instead we've got a bunch of barely used mega expensive desal plants scattered around the country side gathering dust n cobwebs which will probably also drain off a heap of our renewable energy supplies just when we need them to turn the lights on coz there's no real power available in the system.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Dams prevent run off into river systems, contributing to rivers running dry in times of draught causing massive fish deaths.

The desalination plant is doing it's job, it's topping up Melbourne's water reservoirs, that is it's purpose.

Ummmmm. Last time I looked, during a drought there's absolutely no water available for a river or creek unless you've actually got a dam supplying a constant n steady flow of stored water into the river and creek systems to sustain the eco system, because it doesn't bloody rain anywhere.
During a DROUGHT there is no rain or water that falls from the sky to keep the rivers n creeks wet FFS.
P.S. Before all them nature destroyers came along n built some dams to save up a bit of water where did all the new fishes n yabbies come from when the rain started falling again n the rivers n creeks filled up again if they were all dead from the dried out droughts?

The desal plant is not actually topping up our water reservoirs as there's easily enough water in them to not need topping up. All that's happening with the plant is that it's being run for a couple of weeks every year to make sure that it doesn't just rust n seize up. A bit like if you store your car in the garage for a year or three because you don't really need it n you think you can save the planet from all the pollution. You still need to run the car for a bit every few weeks or so just in case one day when you maybe have an emergency the *smile* thing still works.

 

[tigerman]

The desal plant is not actually topping up our water reservoirs as there's easily enough water in them to not need topping up. All that's happening with the plant is that it's being run for a couple of weeks every year to make sure that it doesn't just rust n seize up. A bit like if you store your car in the garage for a year or three because you don't really need it n you think you can save the planet from all the pollution. You still need to run the car for a bit every few weeks or so just in case one day when you maybe have an emergency the *smile* thing still works.

The desalination can produce up to 150 billion litres of high-quality drinking water a year. That’s one-third of Melbourne’s needs.

It has delivered 455 GL since it was turned on in 2016-17 and 23.9 GL during commissioning in 2012...........So it has provided one year of Melbournes water needs.

When the next draught happens, which might last longer than the last draught when Melbournes dam levels were down to 28%, having dropped 20% in ONE year, it will be vital to topping up Melbournes catchments areas.

 

[TigerMasochist]

The desalination can produce up to 150 billion litres of high-quality drinking water a year. That’s one-third of Melbourne’s needs.

It has delivered 455 GL since it was turned on in 2016-17 and 23.9 GL during commissioning in 2012...........So it has provided one year of Melbournes water needs.

When the next draught happens, which might last longer than the last draught when Melbournes dam levels were down to 28%, having dropped 20% in ONE year, it will be vital to topping up Melbournes catchments areas.

Hope all them draughts are happening when they open the tap at the pub n not coz some fool has left the window open on a windy day.

Seeing as we've refused to build any form of new water storage ( dam ) for probably forty years or more and we've massively ramped up our population at the same time, you would be pretty safe in believing we'll only need about five years of drought instead of ten before we start to run short of water again and then we will need to turn the desal machine on properly.
But maybe if we'd built a spare dam somewhere perhaps we'd have been able to save up twenty years worth of water n never need the desal in the first place.

 

[tigersnake]

it's called weather.

Heard of science?

 

[TigerMasochist]

Heard of science?

Pretty sure that fancy science thingy will tell ya that climate change has been going on ever since the planet first formed and also that some of this climate change stuff has been far more severe than anything we've seen over the last twenty years or will in the next couple of hundred.

So what actually is the real problem??? Oh maybe humans n their love of power, manipulation, control n money, lots n lots of these four factors.

 

[tigersnake]

Pretty sure that fancy science thingy will tell ya that climate change has been going on ever since the planet first formed and also that some of this climate change stuff has been far more severe than anything we've seen over the last twenty years or will in the next couple of hundred.

So what actually is the real problem??? Oh maybe humans n their love of power, manipulation, control n money, lots n lots of these four factors.

I'll take that as a no.

 

[Greenie]

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, the reservoir capacities were down to 28.4%, having fallen 20% in the previous year because of draught.

Carlton?

 

[Sintiger]

Pretty sure that fancy science thingy will tell ya that climate change has been going on ever since the planet first formed and also that some of this climate change stuff has been far more severe than anything we've seen over the last twenty years or will in the next couple of hundred.

So what actually is the real problem??? Oh maybe humans n their love of power, manipulation, control n money, lots n lots of these four factors.

Dunno. I will ask the Pacific Islanders if they have an issues with climate change.

 

[tigerman]

Pretty sure that fancy science thingy will tell ya that climate change has been going on ever since the planet first formed and also that some of this climate change stuff has been far more severe than anything we've seen over the last twenty years or will in the next couple of hundred.

So what actually is the real problem??? Oh maybe humans n their love of power, manipulation, control n money, lots n lots of these four factors.

Don't need another dam, piping water from the tropics is the way to go. It could be in close proximity (not too close) to the Brisbane to Melbourne Inland Railway Line that is under construction.
NSW, ACT, Victoria and SA water would have truck loads of water.

 

[Willo]

There was talk a few years ago of piping water from the Ord River to Perth.
Harnessing the tropical storms overflow on the Ord River spillway.
It seems to have been abandoned now. Not sure why, probably the capital costs.

There is a new desal plant proposed to be built at Alkimos (north of Perth) at a cost of $2.8 billion.
That’s the 3rd big desal plant for WA.
I’m not sure where all the brine overflow goes. I think the desal plant at Kwinana had to be shut down a few times because of low oxygen levels in the sea from the brine.

 

[gehring]

Dams do nothing when it doesn't rain. Silly argument.

In the US, Kentucky specifically, the coal mines are closing and being replaced with nuclear power plants, oh sorry, got that wrong, solar farms. This is despite the fact that the USA has years of nuclear experience and expertise, but I suppose they still have no solution for the toxic radioactive waste so adding to that would be a problem which won't go away for 250,000 years.

DS

Not sure what you are saying? USA agreed to triple its nuclear plants at latest COP, bi-partisan agreement with this. Even the smallest research effort will show that the "toxic HL waste" is not and has not been a serious problem for many years. Are you an advisor to the Vic Government?

 

[gehring]

Dunno. I will ask the Pacific Islanders if they have an issues with climate change.

Perhaps they can tell you which years in the last 200 have not seen an increase in the sea level? Answer is none.