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As an aside from someone who is not an expert on these things, where does the $12 billion Snowy 2.0 fit into this?
I was just reading about Snowy Hydro 2.0

Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Power Station​


Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Power Station
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CountryAustralia
LocationSnowy Mountains
Coordinates
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35°47′11″S148°26′40″E
StatusUnder construction
Construction began2019; 5 years ago
Construction costAUD 12 billion[1]
Owner(s)Snowy Hydro
Websitehttps://www.snowyhydro.com.au/
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Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Power Station or Snowy Hydro 2.0 or simply Snowy 2.0 is a pumped-hydro battery megaproject in New South Wales, Australia. The dispatchable generation project expands upon the original Snowy Mountains Scheme (ex post facto Snowy 1.0) connecting two existing dams through a 27-kilometre (17 mi) underground tunnel and a new, underground pumped-hydro power station.[2] Construction began in 2019.[2] It is expected to supply 2.2 gigawatts of capacity and about 350,000 megawatt hours of large-scale storage to the national electricity market.[3][4] It is the largest renewable energy project under construction in Australia.[5] It includes one of the largest and deepest cavern excavations ever undertaken.[6] It also includes the longest tunnels at 27 kilometres in length, of any pumped-hydro station ever built.
It is designed for grid stabilization; to be a backup at times of peak demand and for when solar and wind energy are not providing power.[7] It provides invaluable firming capability. Snowy Hydro acts like a giant battery by absorbing, storing, and dispatching energy.[3] Snowy 2.0 can be ‘switched on’ very quickly.[8] The battery is designed to operate for up to 175 hours of temporary supply.[9] It is Australia's largest energy project,[10] estimated to cost 12 billion Australian dollars. By 2023, AU$4.3 billion had been spent.[1] The project is led by public company Snowy Hydro Limited.[10] When complete it is expected to have a large impact on the price and reliability of electric power.[11]
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Apparently the costs could blowout to $20 billion when Snowy 2.0 and the transmission lines are completed




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In essence pumped hydro acts as a backup battery for when wind and solar don’t provide any power generation.
It can supply electricity for up to 175 hours of temporary supply at a cost of $12 billion.
As far as “renewables” go, at least this is a permanent structure and technology that doesn’t have to be replaced every 15-20 years.
If the costs can be recouped. $20 billion?
 
When can the Federal Government override the State Government/s?

Section 109 of the Constitution of Australia provides that: When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid.
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Section 51 of the Australian Constitution lists the areas in which the Australian Parliament can make laws. These national issues include foreign affairs, defence and Medicare.
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These are law making powers given to the Federal Parliament and listed in sections 51 and 52 of the Constitution. They provide the Commonwealth with the power to make laws for 'peace, order and good government of Australia'.
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As I said before, I’m no expert on the Constitution but it seems the Federal government could actually (attempt to) get a law passed that would “over rule” a state law. Where jurisdiction allows.
So if there are state laws regarding banning of nuclear power generation and waste etc, it possibly could be changed by the Federal government.
But I stand to be corrected.

*edit* found this.
The constitution, through the external affairs power, allows the Commonwealth to override state-level bans on nuclear energy projects, University of NSW law professor Rosalind Dixon said.
But relying on that power was conditional on Australia remaining committed to its obligations under the Paris Agreement.

 
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When can the Federal Government override the State Government/s?

Section 109 of the Constitution of Australia provides that: When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid.
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Section 51 of the Australian Constitution lists the areas in which the Australian Parliament can make laws. These national issues include foreign affairs, defence and Medicare.
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These are law making powers given to the Federal Parliament and listed in sections 51 and 52 of the Constitution. They provide the Commonwealth with the power to make laws for 'peace, order and good government of Australia'.
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As I said before, I’m no expert on the Constitution but it seems the Federal government could actually (attempt to) get a law passed that would “over rule” a state law. Where jurisdiction allows.
So if there are state laws regarding banning of nuclear power generation and waste etc, it possibly could be changed by the Federal government.
But I stand to be corrected.

You are correct - Anne Twomey, one of the preeminent constitutional lawyers, has confirmed this.
 
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You are correct - Anne Twomey, one of the preeminent constitutional lawyers, has confirmed this.
Nice to know a preemininent constitutional lawyers agrees with me. :giggle:

(Anyone wanting Constitutional advice, feel free to send me a message, I’ll probably be offered the silk next. Willo KC 😁 )
 
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How to Build Low-Cost Nuclear: Lessons from the world

Home » Publications » How to Build Low-Cost Nuclear: Lessons from the world
Aidan Morrison
April 11, 2024 · AP65

Executive Summary​

Nuclear energy can be either very cheap or very expensive. Much ink has been spilled recently attempting to establish what the true ‘cost’ of nuclear is, as though that is some fixed objective fact. In practice, the cost of nuclear energy depends on policy choices about how a nuclear fleet is planned, procured, and operated. Getting these choices right is key to ensuring nuclear power is attained at a low price. This report attempts to inform some of those policy choices, by taking a survey of eight different countries and comparing key attributes of their industry that have been determined by policy, and the key outcomes in their nuclear build programs in terms of the cost and time to construct nuclear generating capacity.

The primary observation is that nuclear energy appears to benefit from high degrees of concentration and scale, in both the technical and corporate sense. This finding can be summed up in four lessons on how to do nuclear well:

  1. Fewer design types: Successful countries concentrate their efforts on a limited number of reactor designs. These designs may be evolved and improved slowly and iteratively, but significant conceptual leaps are rare, and costly. Maintaining a diverse range of different reactor designs or concepts appears to be difficult, as it dilutes the industrial experience and stretches supply chains more thinly across the different concepts. Rather than ‘testing’ multiple different designs or insisting on an original design, Australia should select a design that has worked well overseas.
  2. Fewer generation sites: Successful countries keep costs down by building more reactors at fewer generation sites, thus benefitting from economies of scale at each site. Many of the establishment costs of nuclear energy are on a ‘per-site’ basis, including establishing water access transmission corridors, attaining social license, and many safety and regulatory overheads. Australia should focus on building larger nuclear plants at a limited number of sites. For example, one large nuclear station could replace the two or three smaller coal plants that support Sydney and Melbourne in the Hunter or Latrobe valleys. Where possible, existing water and transmission assets can be utilised with modest adaptation or extension.
  3. Fewer independent corporate entities: Successful countries align the interests of the entities responsible for designing (or evolving a supplied design), building, operating and owning the country’s nuclear plants. This is commonly achieved by having a high degree of vertical integration between these roles, frequently to the extent of a single company (or its subsidiaries) being responsible for all stages. This helps to ensure the plant is designed to be built and operated efficiently, built as quickly as feasible to commence operations, but only as quickly as ensures safe, reliable, and efficient operations over the long term. We observe that in countries that can’t sustain multiple competing vertically integrated corporate giants, the nuclear industry may have some of the characteristics of natural monopoly. This means the competition advantages attained by keeping multiple players operating could be outweighed by concentrating experience and capacity in one company.
  4. Accept government involvement: Successful countries have a high level of government involvement in their nuclear energy industries. Governments are better positioned to capture the broader national security, environmental and power system benefits provided by nuclear energy. Private companies find it difficult to recoup financial gains from these broader societal benefits. Risk of regulatory change is also very hard to price for a private entity, whereas the government rightly owns and controls this risk. The very long lifetimes of nuclear generators are also difficult for a commercial entity to appreciate when facing commercial interest rates. With the sole exception of the United States, every country in the world with an established nuclear power industry has had either significant government ownership in its first reactors, or been driven by privately-owned government regulated utilities; with at least some monopoly rights on electricity distribution to underwrite the investment.
As the debate around nuclear energy progresses, Australian policymakers should seriously consider the lessons from other countries. There appears to be a very strong case for the government being heavily involved in leading the establishment of the nuclear industry. Without government leadership, it seems unlikely that the necessary degrees of concentration and scale to make nuclear most cost-effective will be attained.

Introduction​

There is currently bipartisan support in Australia for transitioning our economy to net zero by 2050. However, debate remains around whether a low-emissions, reliable and affordable supply of electricity can be achieved based on predominantly variable, weather-driven supply sources of wind and solar, or whether some contribution from high-reliability power is needed.

Given Australia lacks the geographic formations necessary to produce hydro power at large scale,[1] and assuming carbon capture and storage remains expensive and difficult to scale, we have only one real supply option for providing high-reliability low-emissions power: nuclear. But currently the Australian government is adamant that the ban on nuclear won’t be lifted, citing cost as the reason.[2]

CSIRO’s GenCost report is frequently cited as providing evidence that nuclear is too expensive compared to renewable energy.[3] However, CSIRO’s approach to costing nuclear energy is deeply problematic. They have chosen to sample just one particular project, of one particular reactor design (a novel reactor design), of one particular scale of reactor (small), in one country (the United States).[4] This project hasn’t yet been built, or delivered any power, and was recently cancelled. Yet nuclear technologies today make approximately 10% of global electricity, in 32 nations, from more than 400 operating reactors.[5] Choosing such an isolated, first-of-a-kind, incomplete project of a developmental design as an example isn’t suitable for serious and objective analysis.

In this paper, we propose a more credible and realistic approach to engaging with the costs of nuclear electricity, by examining a larger range of reactors across a number of different countries.

We analyse the nuclear industries of eight countries — the US, UK, Canada, France, Russia, Japan, South Korea and China — including using reactor-level data on costs, construction time and design. This country list isn’t exhaustive. We’ve sampled different parts of the world, and focused on those countries that have built enough reactors, over enough time, that drawing conclusions about trends and averages might be reasonable. We haven’t attempted to produce an exhaustive explanation of the evolution over time of nuclear costs within each country, though we find it varies. Many other researchers have explored the different trends observed within countries,[6] including the impact of changing regulatory requirements[7] and long pauses in construction on nuclear costs. Our research is consistent with those findings; our focus is comparing the structural differences between countries in the approach taken to construction.

We do not attempt to determine what nuclear power would cost in Australia. A quick glance at the history of nuclear will show it has cost different amounts in different countries at different times. Picking the ‘correct’ or ‘current’ price that would apply in Australia with any degree of precision is not possible — at least until you have made some decisions about how nuclear will be built.

This paper’s intent is to inform those decisions. We’re not seeking to answer ‘what does nuclear cost?’ since the credible answers span such a wide band. Instead, we intend to answer ‘how do we build low-cost nuclear
More….

There is a lot more in-depth explanation if you click the link above. Rather than clog up pages and pages. Very informative.
Some no doubt will attempt to brush it off. But if you have an open mind and wish to learn a bit more, it’s worth a read.
 
Nice to know a preemininent constitutional lawyers agrees with me. :giggle:

(Anyone wanting Constitutional advice, feel free to send me a message, I’ll probably be offered the silk next. Willo KC 😁 )
Put you straight to the pool room willo.
 
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Apologies if it has already been mentioned.

Coal Powered Power Stations and Nuclear Power Stations all require large amounts of water. I will stand corrected, but I believe Nuclear Power Stations require even more water than Coal Power stations.
With more droughts predicted due to climate change, the last thing Australia needs is to replace water guzzling coal power stations with water guzzling nuclear power stations.
It's a no brainer, renewables all the way for mine.
 

How to Build Low-Cost Nuclear: Lessons from the world

Home » Publications » How to Build Low-Cost Nuclear: Lessons from the world
Aidan Morrison
April 11, 2024 · AP65

Executive Summary​

Nuclear energy can be either very cheap or very expensive. Much ink has been spilled recently attempting to establish what the true ‘cost’ of nuclear is, as though that is some fixed objective fact. In practice, the cost of nuclear energy depends on policy choices about how a nuclear fleet is planned, procured, and operated. Getting these choices right is key to ensuring nuclear power is attained at a low price. This report attempts to inform some of those policy choices, by taking a survey of eight different countries and comparing key attributes of their industry that have been determined by policy, and the key outcomes in their nuclear build programs in terms of the cost and time to construct nuclear generating capacity.

The primary observation is that nuclear energy appears to benefit from high degrees of concentration and scale, in both the technical and corporate sense. This finding can be summed up in four lessons on how to do nuclear well:

  1. Fewer design types: Successful countries concentrate their efforts on a limited number of reactor designs. These designs may be evolved and improved slowly and iteratively, but significant conceptual leaps are rare, and costly. Maintaining a diverse range of different reactor designs or concepts appears to be difficult, as it dilutes the industrial experience and stretches supply chains more thinly across the different concepts. Rather than ‘testing’ multiple different designs or insisting on an original design, Australia should select a design that has worked well overseas.
  2. Fewer generation sites: Successful countries keep costs down by building more reactors at fewer generation sites, thus benefitting from economies of scale at each site. Many of the establishment costs of nuclear energy are on a ‘per-site’ basis, including establishing water access transmission corridors, attaining social license, and many safety and regulatory overheads. Australia should focus on building larger nuclear plants at a limited number of sites. For example, one large nuclear station could replace the two or three smaller coal plants that support Sydney and Melbourne in the Hunter or Latrobe valleys. Where possible, existing water and transmission assets can be utilised with modest adaptation or extension.
  3. Fewer independent corporate entities: Successful countries align the interests of the entities responsible for designing (or evolving a supplied design), building, operating and owning the country’s nuclear plants. This is commonly achieved by having a high degree of vertical integration between these roles, frequently to the extent of a single company (or its subsidiaries) being responsible for all stages. This helps to ensure the plant is designed to be built and operated efficiently, built as quickly as feasible to commence operations, but only as quickly as ensures safe, reliable, and efficient operations over the long term. We observe that in countries that can’t sustain multiple competing vertically integrated corporate giants, the nuclear industry may have some of the characteristics of natural monopoly. This means the competition advantages attained by keeping multiple players operating could be outweighed by concentrating experience and capacity in one company.
  4. Accept government involvement: Successful countries have a high level of government involvement in their nuclear energy industries. Governments are better positioned to capture the broader national security, environmental and power system benefits provided by nuclear energy. Private companies find it difficult to recoup financial gains from these broader societal benefits. Risk of regulatory change is also very hard to price for a private entity, whereas the government rightly owns and controls this risk. The very long lifetimes of nuclear generators are also difficult for a commercial entity to appreciate when facing commercial interest rates. With the sole exception of the United States, every country in the world with an established nuclear power industry has had either significant government ownership in its first reactors, or been driven by privately-owned government regulated utilities; with at least some monopoly rights on electricity distribution to underwrite the investment.
As the debate around nuclear energy progresses, Australian policymakers should seriously consider the lessons from other countries. There appears to be a very strong case for the government being heavily involved in leading the establishment of the nuclear industry. Without government leadership, it seems unlikely that the necessary degrees of concentration and scale to make nuclear most cost-effective will be attained.

Introduction​

There is currently bipartisan support in Australia for transitioning our economy to net zero by 2050. However, debate remains around whether a low-emissions, reliable and affordable supply of electricity can be achieved based on predominantly variable, weather-driven supply sources of wind and solar, or whether some contribution from high-reliability power is needed.

Given Australia lacks the geographic formations necessary to produce hydro power at large scale,[1] and assuming carbon capture and storage remains expensive and difficult to scale, we have only one real supply option for providing high-reliability low-emissions power: nuclear. But currently the Australian government is adamant that the ban on nuclear won’t be lifted, citing cost as the reason.[2]

CSIRO’s GenCost report is frequently cited as providing evidence that nuclear is too expensive compared to renewable energy.[3] However, CSIRO’s approach to costing nuclear energy is deeply problematic. They have chosen to sample just one particular project, of one particular reactor design (a novel reactor design), of one particular scale of reactor (small), in one country (the United States).[4] This project hasn’t yet been built, or delivered any power, and was recently cancelled. Yet nuclear technologies today make approximately 10% of global electricity, in 32 nations, from more than 400 operating reactors.[5] Choosing such an isolated, first-of-a-kind, incomplete project of a developmental design as an example isn’t suitable for serious and objective analysis.

In this paper, we propose a more credible and realistic approach to engaging with the costs of nuclear electricity, by examining a larger range of reactors across a number of different countries.

We analyse the nuclear industries of eight countries — the US, UK, Canada, France, Russia, Japan, South Korea and China — including using reactor-level data on costs, construction time and design. This country list isn’t exhaustive. We’ve sampled different parts of the world, and focused on those countries that have built enough reactors, over enough time, that drawing conclusions about trends and averages might be reasonable. We haven’t attempted to produce an exhaustive explanation of the evolution over time of nuclear costs within each country, though we find it varies. Many other researchers have explored the different trends observed within countries,[6] including the impact of changing regulatory requirements[7] and long pauses in construction on nuclear costs. Our research is consistent with those findings; our focus is comparing the structural differences between countries in the approach taken to construction.

We do not attempt to determine what nuclear power would cost in Australia. A quick glance at the history of nuclear will show it has cost different amounts in different countries at different times. Picking the ‘correct’ or ‘current’ price that would apply in Australia with any degree of precision is not possible — at least until you have made some decisions about how nuclear will be built.

This paper’s intent is to inform those decisions. We’re not seeking to answer ‘what does nuclear cost?’ since the credible answers span such a wide band. Instead, we intend to answer ‘how do we build low-cost nuclear
More….

There is a lot more in-depth explanation if you click the link above. Rather than clog up pages and pages. Very informative.
Some no doubt will attempt to brush it off. But if you have an open mind and wish to learn a bit more, it’s worth a read.
Noting that GenCost was updated with large-scale nuclear as well - this was criticising its costing of SMR, which, given there isn't an example running commercially, seems to be quite valid to use the first example of its kind being developed.
 
Apologies if it has already been mentioned.

Coal Powered Power Stations and Nuclear Power Stations all require large amounts of water. I will stand corrected, but I believe Nuclear Power Stations require even more water than Coal Power stations.
With more droughts predicted due to climate change,
Who predicted droughts?
the last thing Australia needs is to replace water guzzling coal power stations with water guzzling nuclear power stations.
It's a no brainer, renewables all the way for mine.
I don’t know which weatherman or weather channels you’ve been watching.
More rain and flooding predicted

They might put the nuclear reactors close to where areas flood, t-man. Good way to mitigate any flood damage 😜
As long as you don't get many cloudy days or intermittent wind, you’ll be right. But make sure you have solar panels and a few decent sized home batteries.
 
Noting that GenCost was updated with large-scale nuclear as well - this was criticising its costing of SMR, which, given there isn't an example running commercially, seems to be quite valid to use the first example of its kind being developed.
Already been over that many times. They picked the costing on one type of reactor. Instead they should use like for like coatings. Make, type and size.

But SMR’s are in operation. Whether it’s commercially, industrially, domestically or running on idle.
The build cost, size and type are operating in Russia and China.
And quite a few being built
 
As an aside from someone who is not an expert on these things, where does the $12 billion Snowy 2.0 fit into this?

Punped hydro. Excess renewable energy in the day pumps water up to a storage dam. At night the water is released, driving turbines to send energy into a grid Essentially a way of storing and releasing energy but you don't need to use a battery.

Apparently there are around 300? sites in Australia where you could do this - your need about 30 to enough energy at night that you wouldn't need any batteries at all.

(But expensive to set up initally)
 
Already been over that many times. They picked the costing on one type of reactor. Instead they should use like for like coatings. Make, type and size.

But SMR’s are in operation. Whether it’s commercially, industrially, domestically or running on idle.
The build cost, size and type are operating in Russia and China.
And quite a few being built

Been over this many times.

The only one being built in the states was cancelled due to huge cost blowouts

They just don't stack up economically - none are being manufactured in a commercially viable way so you can't buy one off the shelf.

This is why Dutton won't say which reactor type would be built here in time for 2035. None can.
 
Already been over that many times. They picked the costing on one type of reactor. Instead they should use like for like coatings. Make, type and size.

But SMR’s are in operation. Whether it’s commercially, industrially, domestically or running on idle.
The build cost, size and type are operating in Russia and China.
And quite a few being built

Dutton has already moved away from SMR's. He has pivoted to large scale nuclear due to the high cost of SMR's.
 
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Dutton has already moved away from SMR's. He has pivoted to large scale nuclear due to the high cost of SMR's.

He'll keep throwing different ideas around, confusing everyone. Then he'll eventually drop it (but he hopes to be in power before that happens).

his critics will want to label it "nuclear wars" (a variation of his "culture wars"), but people might get the wrong idea :mhihi
 
Who predicted droughts?

I don’t know which weatherman or weather channels you’ve been watching.
More rain and flooding predicted

They might put the nuclear reactors close to where areas flood, t-man. Good way to mitigate any flood damage 😜
As long as you don't get many cloudy days or intermittent wind, you’ll be right. But make sure you have solar panels and a few decent sized home batteries.

Will need all that flood water to put out all the fires Willo.

Current outlook for Australia

Most of the changes observed over recent decades will continue into the future. Projections suggestthat for Australia:

  • hot days will become hotter and more frequent
  • the time in drought will increase across southern Australia
  • snow depths will decline
  • extreme rainfall events will become more intense
  • sea levels will rise
  • oceans will become more acidic.
 
Dutton has already moved away from SMR's. He has pivoted to large scale nuclear due to the high cost of SMR's.
I was replying to Wildride’s quote back to me. Re that SMR’s aren’t in use commercially. There are a few in use in China and Russia as well as others nearing completion and others further along in development.


I’m surprised he’d pivot wherever from SMRs given the supposed advantages and lower costs to build.
Unless it was in relation to the bigger reactors and using multiple modules for the size. Whether one large reactor is cheaper than multiple modular types. Have you a link to where he’s proposed that?
Not that I dont believe you, but more to understand the reasoning.


Anyway we’ll see what comes of it all. If in fact, anything does.

There’s no election until later next year.So no doubt they’ll need to “flesh out” whatever the proposal will be.
 
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Will need all that flood water to put out all the fires Willo.
Well if the Greens will allow some back burning to reduce the fuel load! That would help.

Current outlook for Australia

What year was this?
Most of the changes observed over recent decades will continue into the future. Projections suggestthat for Australia:
So it’s a suggestion, not a prediction?

  • hot days will become hotter and more frequent
Is that only during summer? When is this going to happen? I don’t believe it, hot days during summer.
Next they’ll be saying to expect cold days during winter.
  • the time in drought will increase across southern Australia
So more droughts when it doesn’t rain
  • snow depths will decline
Melbourne supporters will be disappointed. What year are this this prediction?

  • extreme rainfall events will become more intense
*smile*! What happened to the droughts?
  • sea levels will rise
When is this to commence?
  • oceans will become more acidic.
From what?

Have these projections taking into account all the $billions Australia has invested in renewables? Haven’t we reduced our carbon footprint with all the current and future investment?
 
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Gee the mad right at the centre for not so independent studies reckon nuclear can be done cheaper - yeah? Ok, then why the hell is the party of free enterprise and privatisation proposing it be government funded and owned? Surely the private sector would be champing at the bit to build nukes if they are so cost effective. Just throw out all the crap they profess to believe about small government and private ownership, anything to support nukes.

As for the constitution, I could have told you the Commonwealth can over-ride the states. Even where the power is clearly a state power in the constitution the Commonwealth still wins - the taxing power and Victoria's challenge to the Commonwealth taking over income taxation after WWII made this obvious. But, that means nothing because nuclear power is prohibited under Commonwealth law. They would need to change that first, although I wouldn't trust the ALP not to let it through the Senate. If the ALP hold their line on this there is no chance it would pass and that's the end of the story. Doesn't matter anyway, this is a policy to extend the life of fossil fuels not build nukes.

By the way Willo, if you knew something about climate change and the causes you could answer all of the above questions for yourself. Your misreading is revealing: it is a projection not a prediction or suggestion - they project from the science and the data. They said hotter days in summer not hot days in summer, even you should be able to work out the difference. Sea level rise and acidification are already happening, it is documented (see coral bleaching for a start).

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Dutton has already moved away from SMR's. He has pivoted to large scale nuclear due to the high cost of SMR's.
Thats a bummer, those SMRs sound so cool. Small, and Modular, what's not to like? I was hoping I could get one for the beach house.
 
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