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General Trade Discussion 2022

I know it's usually a waste of time arguing with a conspiracy theorist, but I'm continually amazed how someone can form an opinion with no evidence whatsoever and then call others out for not believing the same thing.
And i cant believe that anyone would think for one minute flat, that a man carrying that level of intel into a role like that, wouldn't use it. I guess you don't think Ben Rutten when he changed clubs didn't use his Richmond intel when playing against us either - not that it did him much good. Or any other coach doing the same against their ex club.

Yeah....Steven Hocking didn't use one ounce of his AFL knowledge in his new CEO role. Sure. Really don't know what Caroline Wilson was complaining about.....
 
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12 and 19 might both be superstars, or they might both be duds. Stats say you've got a 2 out of 3 chance of drafting one 200 gamer with both picks. Obviously the odds of 150 gamer is better, probs 100% of getting one with both picks.

Hopper 40% chance of a 200 gamer with both picks (and probs 60-70% 150 gamer but I'm guessing), plus an aggressive premiership ruckman.

Its pretty obvious why GWS reckon we pulled up short with Hopper for F1 and 30.

Both deals similar, both unders IMO.
Using games played can be misleading though. Should be more about the quality or body of work. Where they finish in their B&F history or how many AAs should be considered. Even performances in finals has more relevance than total games played.
Many average players have etched out 100-150 games.
Think Taranto and Hopper are much better than average players.
 
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Using games played can be misleading though. Should be more about the quality or body of work. Where they finish in their B&F history or how many AAs should be considered. Even performances in finals has more relevance than total games played.
Many average players have etched out 100-150 games.
Think Taranto and Hopper are much better than average players.
100%. Thats the clincher. I was working more on 200 games though, which is a pretty good proxy for a champ'

Another way to look at it, if we'd kept/ keep all the picks we are trading for TT and JH, we probably draft a good player and an OK player. No guarantees, just probably. So even if we hit par, we're still behind.
 
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100%. Thats the clincher. I was working more on 200 games though, which is a pretty good proxy for a champ'

Another way to look at it, if we'd kept/ keep all the picks we are trading for TT and JH, we probably draft a good player and an OK player. No guarantees, just probably.
Here's just a rough shoot of my observations over the past 20 years.

* Picks 1-5 are generally bankable picks but to ensure you avoid blunders it pays to avoid the outside types, take these players out & you get blue chip certainty, particularly midfielders but grabbing key position players also preferable when the situation arises. I think the most recent trends have seen some exceptional value in the 6-15 range for talls, this is fairly recent so maybe a recalibration of a key forward's worth versus a blue chip mid makes the latter a tad bit more appealing. A good example is Walsh vs King, Rankine vs Lukosius, McCartin vs Petracca. It's probably worthwhile considering a dilution of picks if there's a couple of talls who look the goods. I think the Saints could have done ok grabbing Lever & Wright if talls were a priority.

* Picks 6-15 become more of a crap shoot but this is where the key forward rivers of gold can be found. Trading out of this range can make finding a tall forward a bit more difficult. This is also the range you can find the elite rebounders of the competition, if it's a good year then you can land a Rich, Hurn, or Salem but be warned, if these guys are not capable of elite kicking efficiency then you are more than likely to have your investment watered down over time.

* Picks 16-30 represent prime real estate for elite inside mids, it's a range that continually produces genuine A grade talents, Bolton, Miller, Beams, Fyfe, Shuey, Merrett etc. It's one of the reason's I don't like wasting too much draft capital on guys like Hopper. I think Taranto's worth a bit more pronounced given he can potentially play forward but if I'm trading a future first I'm only doing it for a well-rounded mid or a key position forward.
 
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Hard to work out who has won or lost that deal but looks a good deal for Port Adelaide to me. Poor no.1, was either Kangas or GWS.

Maybe GWS the losers there.
 
Hard to work out who has won or lost that deal but looks a good deal for Port Adelaide to me. Poor no.1, was either Kangas or GWS.

Maybe GWS the losers there.
Good deal for North I think.

To get a 95% return on an investment that has shown to be as risky as JHF is a good deal IMO.

Port Adelaide and West Coast the losers in that one I reckon.
 
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Whatever we get back, it has to end up under pick 40.

This is so we can bid on any academy players.
 
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And i cant believe that anyone would think for one minute flat, that a man carrying that level of intel into a role like that, wouldn't use it. I guess you don't think Ben Rutten when he changed clubs didn't use his Richmond intel when playing against us either - not that it did him much good. Or any other coach doing the same against their ex club.

Yeah....Steven Hocking didn't use one ounce of his AFL knowledge in his new CEO role. Sure. Really don't know what Caroline Wilson was complaining about.....
Just like Carter the ex AFL commissioner and then Scats president didn’t get any sweetheart deals from the AFL for the successive ground redevelopments at at Kitty Litter Park. Don’t even think that he did.
 
Hah hah hah. David King is gonna lose his *smile*. He said Rawlings should resign if North trade away pick 1.

Having said that, someone will probably explain things in 3 letter word terms and he might soften his stance.