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General Trade Discussion 2022

TigerPort said:
Even with 5 on the bench and that meaning we can play two rucks that wouldn't mean we will go with Nankervis and Soldo

The 5th could be a versatile tall like Miller. Gives more options
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Gibcus - Tarrant - Grimes
Vlastuin - Balta - Broad
McIntosh - Taranto - Pickett
MRJ - Riewoldt - Bolton
Martin - Lynch - Baker
Nankervis - Hopper - Prestia

Cotchin - Cumberland - D Rioli - Sonsie/Short/Graham/Ross - Miller/Ryan

Who would have thought you'd have four players fighting for the one spot on the bench - Sonsie/Short/Graham/Ross in particular.
So three of them will be playing reserves or filling in for the injured players, that's not a bad spot to be in.
To have players like Graham, Short and Ross come in for injured players, that's a bit better than bringing in Aarts/Castagna/Dow/Parker isn't it?

That team is freaking loaded!! :love:
 
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Ricemagic said:
Gibcus - Tarrant - Grimes
Vlastuin - Balta - Broad
McIntosh - Taranto - Pickett
MRJ - Riewoldt - Bolton
Martin - Lynch - Baker
Nankervis - Hopper - Prestia

Cotchin - Cumberland - D Rioli - Sonsie/Short/Graham/Ross - Miller/Ryan

Who would have thought you'd have four players fighting for the one spot on the bench - Sonsie/Short/Graham/Ross in particular.
So three of them will be playing reserves or filling in for the injured players, that's not a bad spot to be in.
To have players like Graham, Short and Ross come in for injured players, that's a bit better than bringing in Aarts/Castagna/Dow/Parker isn't it?

That team is freaking loaded!! :love:
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Not if you ask Lloyd and Cornhead. Where's our internal improvement coming from like Geelongs this year? Look at RFC top 10 B&F this year...yada yada...

Interestingly apart from Close none of the players they mention as the improvers for Geelong this year placed in their top 10 in 2021.

Geelong Cats: Carji Greeves Medal​

1. Tom Stewart (214 votes)

2. Jack Henry (212

3. Tom Hawkins (189)

4. Isaac Smith (187)

5. Cam Guthrie (182)

6. Mark Blicavs (156)

7. Brad Close (155)

8. Joel Selwood (147)

9. Jed Bews (143)

10. Brandan Parfitt (140)
 
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Redford said:
Even though I don't personally rate Bruhn, pick 18 for a pick 12 player that played 17 games this year in just their second season of AFL football is unders on a pure trade value basis.

Seems Geelong get away with it again.
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Geelong would have plenty of goodwill with GWS after giving up three first round picks for Cameron. Bit of mutual back scratching.
 
WesternTiger said:
Not if you ask Lloyd and Cornhead. Where's our internal improvement coming from like Geelongs this year? Look at RFC top 10 B&F this year...yada yada...

Interestingly apart from Close none of the players they mention as the improvers for Geelong this year placed in their top 10 in 2021.

Geelong Cats: Carji Greeves Medal​

1. Tom Stewart (214 votes)

2. Jack Henry (212

3. Tom Hawkins (189)

4. Isaac Smith (187)

5. Cam Guthrie (182)

6. Mark Blicavs (156)

7. Brad Close (155)

8. Joel Selwood (147)

9. Jed Bews (143)

10. Brandan Parfitt (140)
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Our improvement is getting more experience into Gibcus, Cumberland, Rioli JNR, Sonsie and Miller in particular.
Then getting some games into Clarke, Banks, Brown, Bauer and Biggy would be pretty good for their development and our future.
Balta, Bolton, Baker and Ross are all 22/23 so still need another 40-50 games into them before they are 100+ gamers.

That's enough internal improvement right there.

Then add the external improvement provided by two top 10-12 players on any clubs list in Taranto and Hopper and it's a pretty good looking list to me.
 
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davidc0055 said:
Geelong are successful on the field, and they have created a very good environment for their players. Even though he acts like a goose in the coaching box, Chris Scott is very much liked by his players, in much the same way as Hardwick at Richmond. They get great deals because the players are willing to sacrifice money in order to be there.
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Players going to the pussies are prepared to take huge pay cuts as long as they also get a surfboard and a fishing rod ;) ;)
 
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The Big Richo said:
Geelong would have plenty of goodwill with GWS after giving up three first round picks for Cameron. Bit of mutual back scratching.
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Huh? 13, 15 and 20 for Cameron. That is a steal for Geelong, every club in the comp would have done that trade. Even a top 5 pick and 2 in the teens would have been fine. Players like him, and Lynch, are rare for starters, and its even rarer they come up for trade. You pay whatever the asking price is basically.

First rounders ain't first rounders. They get bundled-up in the talk as if they are all top 5 picks, that's the implication, but its a falsehood. There's top 5, then there's top 10, then there's 10-20. Chalk and cheese, that's what the data says.
 
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WesternTiger said:
Not if you ask Lloyd and Cornhead. Where's our internal improvement coming from like Geelongs this year? Look at RFC top 10 B&F this year...yada yada...

Interestingly apart from Close none of the players they mention as the improvers for Geelong this year placed in their top 10 in 2021.

Geelong Cats: Carji Greeves Medal​

1. Tom Stewart (214 votes)

2. Jack Henry (212

3. Tom Hawkins (189)

4. Isaac Smith (187)

5. Cam Guthrie (182)

6. Mark Blicavs (156)

7. Brad Close (155)

8. Joel Selwood (147)

9. Jed Bews (143)

10. Brandan Parfitt (140)
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Doesn't that mean those improved from 2021 then?
 
Jackson to Freo done.
Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS. Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford
 
Willo said:
Jackson to Freo done.
Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS. Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford
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....and we still wait....
 
Willo said:
Jackson to Freo done.
Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS. Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford
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What did GWS give away?
 
tigersnake said:
Huh? 13, 15 and 20 for Cameron. That is a steal for Geelong, every club in the comp would have done that trade. Even a top 5 pick and 2 in the teens would have been fine.

First rounders ain't first rounders. They get bundled-up in the talk as if they are all top 5 picks, that's the implication, but its a falsehood. There's top 5, then there's top 10, then there's 10-20. Chalk and cheese, that's what the data says.
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I would have segmented it 1-5, 6-15, 16-30, 31-50,

Pick 13 has a pretty good history, pick 7 also has some excellent returns. Most tall forwards fall into the top 15, interestingly many of these like Riewoldt, Curnow, McKay & Fogarty have slipped into double figures. Marshall was a pick 16 so he just misses the cut but he was also pretty raw as a junior.

I think the 16-30 range can be a goldmine for inside mids & in the rare case of Bolton, fully fledged dual position talents. You can also get champion key backs, Rance, Sam Taylor & Harry Taylor a few off the top of my head, Ridley & De Koning emerging talents.
 
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davidc0055 said:
Firstly because you have no evidence that Hocking did anything untoward, and secondly because he left 12 months beforehand.
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He left 12 months ago knowing every single player contract and every single club’s TPP position.

You have no evidence either to suggest he didn’t use that information. There’s a reason why clubs are pissed off and why Wilson has mentioned 2 or 3 times the very obvious conflict.
 
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TigerPort said:
Even with 5 on the bench and that meaning we can play two rucks that wouldn't mean we will go with Nankervis and Soldo

The 5th could be a versatile tall like Miller. Gives more options
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Agree. Approach will still be to use a mobile back up ruck even with 5 on bench.
 
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Little Ziggyadee said:
If anyone went after Weiderman.
Lyold would bag them bit because he is going to Essendon 'he worth the risk'
A 3rd rounder for Essendon is a pick in 50 not 100's
And he reckons Setterfield is a ball winning midfielder. Ok yeah.
Kano and Lyold spent the entire morning talking up Geelong and saying the inclusions of Hopper & Tarranto won't be a automatic push for top 4.
Lyold got rolled by a caller that said all the Geelong players you mentioned we match and we have better. The bloke said who's Geelongs Bolton? Who's Geelongs Balta etc.
The bloke mentioned Sony, Rioli, Lynch, Baker Etc. Fly catcher had no response.
He let Kano respond with but Prestia never plays all year, does Dangerfield?
Grimes misses games due to soft tissue injuries, what happens to Duncan.
Stengle kicked 53 goals,, Cumberland has him covered in Ave per game.
THEY ARE *smile* SCARED!
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That caller was Tiger71 who has the info for the Lynch /Tarranto/Hopper deals
and in the past Cerra/Crouch before it was ever mentioned in the media
 
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Rankine's gone through too. Hopefully the bottleneck has been cleared and we see deals done now.
 
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WesternTiger said:
Not if you ask Lloyd and Cornhead. Where's our internal improvement coming from like Geelongs this year? Look at RFC top 10 B&F this year...yada yada...

Interestingly apart from Close none of the players they mention as the improvers for Geelong this year placed in their top 10 in 2021.

Geelong Cats: Carji Greeves Medal​

1. Tom Stewart (214 votes)

2. Jack Henry (212

3. Tom Hawkins (189)

4. Isaac Smith (187)

5. Cam Guthrie (182)

6. Mark Blicavs (156)

7. Brad Close (155)

8. Joel Selwood (147)

9. Jed Bews (143)

10. Brandan Parfitt (140)
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If you needed any further support about our prospects next year, Karen Cornes and The Count writing us off almost guarantees us the cup

Where is our De Koning - Gibcus
Where is our Close - Cumberland
Where is our Atkins (lol) - Aarts!!
 
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