My thoughts too. In fact, just went on SportsBet and placed a small wager on. Still at $21 for the flag!
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GAME DAY Tiges V Giants
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Was it right to play MRJ tonight?
Hard to say really. Season on the line, yes, but the alternatives have been missing in action all year - he kicked a goal which is more than Castagna and Aarts have looked like doing for a while.
I think they were right to play him tonight as he is the future, needs experience and the alternatives are not the future or the present the way they have been playing.
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Only because they went to GWS advantage. It was very noticeable ... and completely ridiculous compared to many other matches this year where several would have been recalled.
Which was exactly what I so loved about GWS's game, especially in the 1st half, and it broke the game apart. I would say over 50% of AFL players can kick it 50m. Stop the stuffin around looking for short-pass to a guy inside 25, or worse sideways to the same distance or further out. Just go for goal and give it a rip. Just what GWS did - 12.5 to 4.3 at HT. Game over. Kicking wins it. Simples. Field and goal.
Most players actually kick better going for distance as they get a run-up and drive right through it and follow through for best chance of getting the distance. Just need to run straight at the centre of the goal, not swing out and attempt the hook back.
This 'fundamental' approach is far more effective than ever. With the stand rule, you can virtually bypass the MOTM. And far more efficient than our fart around, pass it one more time style ... for another turnover.
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Craig. One of the first thing this club needs to do is get over this inept dependency on one player. Team needs to take responsibility for their own performances rather than rely on a champion to save their arses year after year.
Richmond hasn’t had to rely on Dusty to save our arses year after year, we have won 3 of the last 4 flags.
He’s been the band leader of a bloody good band
Thank gawd it's virtually season over. Played such undisciplined n poor footy in the first half. I almost thought we were tanking, then I remembered that's illegal.
So I started barracking at the t.v. really strong n loud. C'mon Ninthmond, dooooo something. Then I remembered all the Ninthmond crap we used to cop years ago n just gave up. Twelfthmond probably isn't so bad n it'll give us a couple of even better early picks than Ninthmond. Now if only Teaguey n Ratts can get their mobs to pull the bloody finger out last two games.
So I started barracking at the t.v. really strong n loud. C'mon Ninthmond, dooooo something. Then I remembered all the Ninthmond crap we used to cop years ago n just gave up. Twelfthmond probably isn't so bad n it'll give us a couple of even better early picks than Ninthmond. Now if only Teaguey n Ratts can get their mobs to pull the bloody finger out last two games.
The only possible payback for a lost Grand Final is to win a rematch Grand Final the next year. Anything else is just pickin boogers.
Yeah the gf will be remembered forever , last nights game will be forgotten within days , no comparison
There was no issue with effort. No issue with intensity.
Just the 3% dropoff that comes when you know that the fundamentals of a particular game plan aren’t going to work.
That’s lethal.
Painfully obvious we can no longer defend on transition. If teams can go short, that stretches our net, which means they can now go long too. Which in turn erodes confidence in team mates and ultimately a general collapse in structure.
With ball in hand, we try to be breathless. Constant movement, surging the ball forward. Except we do not have the foot skills to hit targets. Teams know we will blow the pill before it’s cooked, splurging all over the F50 arc. That’s where they now set up. Easy pickings when we rarely equalise our forwards.
Ball movement both ways dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
666 has neutered our clearance game. We’ve never been a strong ball hunting unit, but 2017-2019 we had critical cover barging off D50 to apply pressure. It was an innovative use of wingman / half forwards that gave us the extra to force turnover.
The 666 is essentially a precursor to the stand rule. That is, a method of allowing clean transition by foot. The AFL crowed that it would open up the game. Stop defensive flooding. Except we never used it that way. We used it to propel the ball forward. I haven’t met a single neutral supporter with half a brain that didn’t think we were beautiful offensively. We’d turn it over brutally from center bounces, then whisk it forward without wasting a second. A brilliant showcase of the game. Neutered by 666.
Center clearances dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
Kick ins. Backmen can now waltz halfway across D50 and deliver the ball on countless new angles, long and short. The heavy press, a tactic we absolutely used to great effect in our best years, built pressure on the oppo before we’d force open the floodgates.
Teams with neat foot skills can crisply negate the heavy press now. Games of AFL football are now mostly between the arcs because teams will no longer commit numbers to press. Thus the art of the forward 50 tackle, something we first perfected in 2017, is now extremely hard to pull off as the oppo has space to find team mates and release.
Trapping the ball in F50 and applying a press is dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
It’s a rort. It’s damn corrupt. If you had to pick one team that would benefit from a rule that allows unimpeded short passing it would be Geelong. The same team now welcoming the man who made these rule changes.
So we should’ve adapted quicker, you say. We have looked lazy and disinterested, you say.
No. We recruited to support our game style and, through excellent coaching and development, were able to counter 666 for the most part last season.
But the stand rule was introduced on the eve of the 2021 season. Long after we’d recruited and trained up in our usual fashion.
It was an ambush. We were stitched up and now we slink off into the dark of a long summer grinding axes and preparing to come again.
If the club correctly identifies the counter to what currently wins games of AFL football, I’m not prepared to write off this dynasty.
But life is difficult when HQ is actively against you.
Just the 3% dropoff that comes when you know that the fundamentals of a particular game plan aren’t going to work.
That’s lethal.
Painfully obvious we can no longer defend on transition. If teams can go short, that stretches our net, which means they can now go long too. Which in turn erodes confidence in team mates and ultimately a general collapse in structure.
With ball in hand, we try to be breathless. Constant movement, surging the ball forward. Except we do not have the foot skills to hit targets. Teams know we will blow the pill before it’s cooked, splurging all over the F50 arc. That’s where they now set up. Easy pickings when we rarely equalise our forwards.
Ball movement both ways dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
666 has neutered our clearance game. We’ve never been a strong ball hunting unit, but 2017-2019 we had critical cover barging off D50 to apply pressure. It was an innovative use of wingman / half forwards that gave us the extra to force turnover.
The 666 is essentially a precursor to the stand rule. That is, a method of allowing clean transition by foot. The AFL crowed that it would open up the game. Stop defensive flooding. Except we never used it that way. We used it to propel the ball forward. I haven’t met a single neutral supporter with half a brain that didn’t think we were beautiful offensively. We’d turn it over brutally from center bounces, then whisk it forward without wasting a second. A brilliant showcase of the game. Neutered by 666.
Center clearances dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
Kick ins. Backmen can now waltz halfway across D50 and deliver the ball on countless new angles, long and short. The heavy press, a tactic we absolutely used to great effect in our best years, built pressure on the oppo before we’d force open the floodgates.
Teams with neat foot skills can crisply negate the heavy press now. Games of AFL football are now mostly between the arcs because teams will no longer commit numbers to press. Thus the art of the forward 50 tackle, something we first perfected in 2017, is now extremely hard to pull off as the oppo has space to find team mates and release.
Trapping the ball in F50 and applying a press is dead. Thanks Steve Hocking.
It’s a rort. It’s damn corrupt. If you had to pick one team that would benefit from a rule that allows unimpeded short passing it would be Geelong. The same team now welcoming the man who made these rule changes.
So we should’ve adapted quicker, you say. We have looked lazy and disinterested, you say.
No. We recruited to support our game style and, through excellent coaching and development, were able to counter 666 for the most part last season.
But the stand rule was introduced on the eve of the 2021 season. Long after we’d recruited and trained up in our usual fashion.
It was an ambush. We were stitched up and now we slink off into the dark of a long summer grinding axes and preparing to come again.
If the club correctly identifies the counter to what currently wins games of AFL football, I’m not prepared to write off this dynasty.
But life is difficult when HQ is actively against you.
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Reckon it's actually perfect opportunity for Moju. How the *smile* else is he gunna learn what's required for senior footy if he doesn't get in and play a couple of games?
We should have stuck Cummerbund in for a couple of games as well n R2D2 and Not Dusty too.
We've been stumbling n staggering around like a punch drunk boxer most of this season, pretending we had enough left in the tank to challenge for one more flag.
Cujo, Raaalllph, Stacka, Moju, R2D2, Cummerbund, Not Dusty, Rossy, Dow n Nigel are the players who are contending to make up our future core, yet we've barely got enough games into most of them to fully know what they've got.
Rest n refresh after this season finishes n then a massive pre season for all n it'll be more than time for the youngsters to start pushing hard to shift the older generation into the Tiger Legends retirement home
Maggots simply stand around at a set shot / set play watching for the stupid insignificant infringement. Lynchman n Grub both obviously stupid in that first qtr.
Agree. We knew MJ wasn't going to set the world on fire, his impact at VFL level has been quality not quantity. But to get that experience, feel the faster pace is invaluable and something our younger brigade haven't had a lot of in the last 4 years of dominance. No doubt that will all change. We have a few players at the end of their careers. I just hope they bow out gracefully rather than try to prolong the inevitable.
It's tall poppy syndrome. Same for Grimes. He gets attacked by the media non-stop for doing things that other players do all the time. The problem with our job for mates media is that they're all looking for the publicity that will give them the big story. It's a competition. Very few unbias factual stories these days unfortunately.
What will change for the Tigers next year?
What will be different?
My take is that unless some how we unearth a couple of excellent midfielders we will suffer the same demise as this year.
It is such a glaring weakness.
It was certainly Black Friday for our Tigers.
What will be different?
My take is that unless some how we unearth a couple of excellent midfielders we will suffer the same demise as this year.
It is such a glaring weakness.
It was certainly Black Friday for our Tigers.
Refer you to HWs presser. He knows what he saw. Keep up that form and they will win it.
May well be the case, but our backline has been a patch up job all season. Balta, broad, Vlastuin, Houli and Astbury missing big chunks of the season. Our midfield missing Prestia, Cotchin, Pickett, kMac, Nank, Lambert, Edwards and of courseDusty for chunks of season too, and then our forward line struggling with delivery from a patched up midfield for most of the season. We are a mere shell of our former selves and I for one, think our depth players have performed admirably under severe pressure. Roll on the draft and trade periods.
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