Game Day - Tiges V Freo

[Little Ziggyadee]

As an aside I have watched those last seconds again and there is no doubt the Freo player ran into the exclusion zone after Cumberland marked which means it really should have been a 50 metre penalty not a play on call.
Sounds like excuses, he shouldn’t have played on, but it should have been 50

I would take 15 now

 

[bricci]

As an aside I have watched those last seconds again and there is no doubt the Freo player ran into the exclusion zone after Cumberland marked which means it really should have been a 50 metre penalty not a play on call.
Sounds like excuses, he shouldn’t have played on, but it should have been 50

Would have been if he didn't play on straight away.
But I think we are all too focussed on the last play!
Fact is we should have been 4-5 goals up by then and this has been the issue for all our recent performances. We just don't put space between ourselves and the oppo when we have accendancy. The Soldo miss would have given us a 14 point lead (a lot in the context of this game).
The adage that applies to Richmond right now is 'never give a sucker an even break'!

We keep our opponents in games they have no right to be in (Swans, GC, North, Freo) only to have them come back late and pip us via our lack of composure, confidence and eptitude!

 

[bob]

Riewoldt also told Balta to make sure he took his 30 secs. Where was he to tell to get going on his forward movement to kick? They must know Balta has done this before.
Really we are just a joke ... often. So unprofessional - e.g every player practices some goal-kicking. Everyone should have their routine put on a timer so they know exactly the proper timing routine and repeat it over and over to get it right. They do it pre-game.

It's laughable incompetence.

This is why I keep writing about our poor development and needing a better assistant coaching panel.
We are really, really poor in these areas. I am astonished at how bad our development has been these last 2 years.

This is not just a 2022 problem.

And listen to Longmuir's press conference. Not just this one, but all of them. He is a teacher. their players are taught process and actions.

There is a serious underlying performance issue with our football dept.

 

[bob]

Yep it is certainly not advantageous when your two captains look totally bereft of confidence. Not a great example.

This is what Adam Kingsley said on sen before the game about Dylan.

"He's very self critical. He reviewed it strong, there were a few things we could have done better to protect him a bit. I think we'll see him bounce back well tonight." - Adam Kingsley on Dylan Grimes.


He is right. But what seems to not be happening at Richmond is some way to mentally support our two captains who all year, have gradually become more and more stressed by the responsibility.

I would bet money on the fact we have either stopped using Emma Murray or using her in a very small way. I know she's moved to NSW but it just seems too obvious that all the players seem to have completely abandoned or forgotten the mindfulness processes that have helped them to stay focused and calm moment to moment.

There's more to it of course. But I am sick of the coaches talking about learning from these scenarios. They have said this for 2 years, not just this year.
What the *smile* are THEY teaching our players.

 

[tigerlove]

Wasn't brilliant tonight.
I agree he has improved his game greatly. But....we have heaps of really good backs (9). Lack of creative small forwards is killing us week after week. He has put on weight and has always been a confidence player. One of our best score assists and kicks for goal. Had a form lapse for a while. Big deal, who doesn't. Swinging players like Balta, Gibcus and Baker to the forward line is messing us up wholesale. Forwards are born forwards AND ARE GOLD.
If the last three weeks aren't evidence of this, then we deserve what we get.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

I half expect Robbie Tarrant and Grimesy to play forward next week!

Well it was a big deal. Rioli didn't have a great 2020, only 12 goals and 3 goal assists in a premiership year, started 2021 ok but then lapsed into continued poor form. Had 1 foot out the door when transformed inro a backman and has been brilliant ever since. I don't think Rioli would excel forward, he doesn't have that evasive ability of a Bolton and isn't a strong mark or have that uncanny goal awareness. Regardless, why would you move arguably top 3 in B&F this year? I just don't think a move is going to happen.

PS Baker has been fantastic as a swingman. Gibcus will remain a backman, he was moved forward after he hurt his shoulder. Balta still not sure of his best position, wasn't playing great footy in the backline either.

 

[graystar1]

After this weekend, and if the Bulldogs and Saints win we are knocked down to11th.
Not a pretty picture, but that is about where we should be on current form.

 

[St Kevin]

As an aside I have watched those last seconds again and there is no doubt the Freo player ran into the exclusion zone after Cumberland marked which means it really should have been a 50 metre penalty not a play on call.
Sounds like excuses, he shouldn’t have played on, but it should have been 50

Agree, but you have to remember that the game is umpired as follows:

*last 5 minutes* = whistles away, carnage ensues.

*rest of the game* = officiate with the persnicketiness of a prefect.

No way on earth an umpire would have the balls to make that call in the dying seconds of a game.

 

[St Kevin]

After this weekend, and if the Bulldogs and Saints win we are knocked down to11th.
Not a pretty picture, but that is about where we should be on current form.

Bulldogs will do well to beat Melbourne. Saints should win.

 

[tigerlove]

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Ahh well if 1 H&A game is the criteria of who is a better team then in 2019 Magpies Bulldogs Kangaroos Crows were better than the Tigers except they weren't

 

[tigerlove]

He looked fine tonight running around, so dont be an apologist and use any old excuse when a player underperforms, I get it, you and plenty in here love the bloke, thats fine, Im just saying I see it differently.

Oh I grip it just fine Thanks.

He's injured, we all know that. Played mostly forward, when was the last time that happened? Shouldn't be playing, I think those pain-killing injections are being put to good use.

 

[year of the tiger]

I have been out travelling today and just got home. I have not seen the match, nor have I read this thread, or any media reports. But I know the result ... or lack thereof.
One way of looking at things ... we just played a draw against a side now sitting in third place, and actually if they had won the match, they would right now be equal first (the peculiarities of mid-round ladders notwithstanding). You could argue that on paper that was our most meritorious result of the year (Geelong were fourth when we ran them to three points recently).

But I am about to sit down and watch it. Ouch!

I only watched the second half of last night, but I reckon last night was a fair effort and shows we are there abouts, we can compete well without two of our A-graders, Lynch and Martin on the park. Given that last quarter effort from Freo, they played fast high quality footy but we matched them and I think in the end we were lucky to get the 2 points.

The angst and frustration on this thread I believe comes from the lolnorf and suns games - those are the lost 8 pts I am pissed about. Either side of those games, we have produced two really solid games against this years top 4 teams and could have won both.

I am now more confident about the lions at the G than I was 24 hours ago.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

After this weekend, and if the Bulldogs and Saints win we are knocked down to11th.
Not a pretty picture, but that is about where we should be on current form.

Can we ask for a priority pick?

 

[tiger76]

This is why I keep writing about our poor development and needing a better assistant coaching panel.
We are really, really poor in these areas. I am astonished at how bad our development has been these last 2 years.

This is not just a 2022 problem.

And listen to Longmuir's press conference. Not just this one, but all of them. He is a teacher. their players are taught process and actions.

There is a serious underlying performance issue with our football dept.

I get where you’re coming from and don’t disagree on principal, but some of the errors we are seeing are so fundamental I’m hesitant to put down them down to development.

There’s certain behaviours and skills that should be like breathing for players playing at AFL level that shouldn’t need to be spoken about, drilled into or reinforced at training sessions from week to week.

You would think situational awareness and basic kicking skills would be part of an AFL player’s DNA, and that they would be spending more time fine tuning other more advanced skills at that level.

And how many basics must they reinforce at every train session?

 

[Sintiger]

Agree, but you have to remember that the game is umpired as follows:

*last 5 minutes* = whistles away, carnage ensues.

*rest of the game* = officiate with the persnicketiness of a prefect.

No way on earth an umpire would have the balls to make that call in the dying seconds of a game.

"Common sense" I suppose

 

[tigerlove]

This is what Adam Kingsley said on sen before the game about Dylan.

"He's very self critical. He reviewed it strong, there were a few things we could have done better to protect him a bit. I think we'll see him bounce back well tonight." - Adam Kingsley on Dylan Grimes.


He is right. But what seems to not be happening at Richmond is some way to mentally support our two captains who all year, have gradually become more and more stressed by the responsibility.

I would bet money on the fact we have either stopped using Emma Murray or using her in a very small way. I know she's moved to NSW but it just seems too obvious that all the players seem to have completely abandoned or forgotten the mindfulness processes that have helped them to stay focused and calm moment to moment.

There's more to it of course. But I am sick of the coaches talking about learning from these scenarios. They have said this for 2 years, not just this year.
What the *smile* are THEY teaching our players.

A lot of hearsay in your post. You could be right, you could be wrong. My feeling is that there is not a lack of support at the Tigers, I'd think based on the recent history that culturally we are very strong in the area of support.

 

[Sintiger]

And listen to Longmuir's press conference. Not just this one, but all of them. He is a teacher. their players are taught process and actions.

We won 3 premierships with process and actions. Our club invented process and system based team play

I agree that we aren't doing it well enough but what you say Longmuir is doing is exactly how we became successful

 

[daniel30]

We're do you start confidence is shot totally kicking at goal , brain fades , composure leadership is not existent coaching is speechless. Filthy at the club last 3 games learnt absolutely nothing I'm telling you we don't make finals heads need to role Burge is the first already

 

[22nd Man]

I have been out travelling today and just got home. I have not seen the match, nor have I read this thread, or any media reports. But I know the result ... or lack thereof.
One way of looking at things ... we just played a draw against a side now sitting in third place, and actually if they had won the match, they would right now be equal first (the peculiarities of mid-round ladders notwithstanding). You could argue that on paper that was our most meritorious result of the year (Geelong were fourth when we ran them to three points recently).

But I am about to sit down and watch it. Ouch!

Some logic to your assessment. But it underlines how much our expectations have fallen since 2020. Though A month ago I said a draw or competitive loss to a top 4 team would show we were tracking towards being a solid chance in September. However after the pathetic past fortnight the draw didn't seem as positive as I anticipated.

 

[bob]

I get where you’re coming from and don’t disagree on principal, but some of the errors we are seeing are so fundamental I’m hesitant to put down them down to development.

There’s certain behaviours and skills that should be like breathing for players playing at AFL level that shouldn’t need to be spoken about, drilled into or reinforced at training sessions from week to week.

You would think situational awareness and basic kicking skills would be part of an AFL player’s DNA, and that they would be spending more time fine tuning other more advanced skills at that level.

And how many basics must they reinforce at every train session?

I agree Tiger76 that one would think basics like kicking and situational awareness should be part of a player's DNA. But they arent always. Balta for instance hasnt ever had (to date) situational awareness. Not just last night. Most games. Aarts another.
Castagna's kicking. Say no more.

And if you are playing players in positions they are not necessarily meant to play in, then that's even more important to train basics to avoid these fundamental issues.

We lack confidence too. Basics are needed to be trained constantly. In any industry.

 

[bob]

We won 3 premierships with process and actions. Our club invented process and system based team play

I agree that we aren't doing it well enough but what you say Longmuir is doing is exactly how we became successful

Exactly.

But from our team it's gone. So the question is why?

My belief is that it;s got a lot to do with who has left the club in these last 2-3 years. And who remains.