It could have massive ramifications for us i agree Evo.The next 2yrs could very well be the most important 2yrs in the History of the RFC.How important is it that we re-sign Cotchin? He is the key IMO.evo said:
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Free agency
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Ridley said:
Over the last ten years, which sport has produced the most number of unique premiership sides?
The NRL, the competition that doesn't restrict player movements has produced 8 unique premiership sides in the last 10 years ... the AFL, a sport that does restrict player movements has produced 7 unique premiership sides.
The AFL system encourages teams to bottom out, and inflict years of pain on their fans by not trying to win games to pick up draft picks to open up a potential 4 year or so premiership window, the NRL system allows *smile* teams to completely rebuild their playing roster, and rise up the table immediately ala - Canterbury-Bankstown across '08/'09
So yes, please remind me which sport has the better system.......
If the AFL is bringing in Free Agency, they need to implement a clause that encourages loyalty.
The NBA has whats called "Bird Rights", where once a player has played with a single club for 3 years consecutively, without being released or traded, his club can offer him more money and a longer contract than other teams.
The AFL should do something like this to offset players moving left right and centre for more $$$.
Free Agency can be excellent, if implemented properly. The NBA, even with Free Agency, still has teams 'rebuilding' over years, and still has players that stick with the one team their entire career. But it also has the excitement of big name players changing teams, youngsters being able to move if they aren't being given an opportunity etc... It's fantastic.
The NBA has whats called "Bird Rights", where once a player has played with a single club for 3 years consecutively, without being released or traded, his club can offer him more money and a longer contract than other teams.
The AFL should do something like this to offset players moving left right and centre for more $$$.
Free Agency can be excellent, if implemented properly. The NBA, even with Free Agency, still has teams 'rebuilding' over years, and still has players that stick with the one team their entire career. But it also has the excitement of big name players changing teams, youngsters being able to move if they aren't being given an opportunity etc... It's fantastic.
Total Tiger said:
But it does restrict their potential earnings capacity along with potential oppurtunites elsewhere.
Fact is, there is legal precedent in this country for such a system having been successfully challenged in court.
For all the sooking the likes of Ridley want to do ... the present system is what keeps clubs like Richmond at the bottom and makes it near impossible for us to immediately re-stock our club with talent. People like him can continue to sook, but it's done. Suck it up and deal with it.
Mo is 100% spot on with regards to the union, the AFLPA have refrained from challenging the system, as the AFL has always promised they will negotiate in a fair manner on the subject, so the PA have not risked the public relations hit the players would cop if they tore down the system.
Motown said:
They can join millions of other employers that exist in this country. Nothing is stopping them.
collector said:
Fair dinkum, what a load of garbage. The current system presents the perfect opportunity to rebuild properly and for the long term. Look at what Hawthorn has done over the past 5 years. Ditto the Bulldogs. What about St.Kilda since the start of the century?? *smile*, even Collingwood finished in the bottom 2 in 2005 and are now right back up there. Richmond also had this opportunity but completely *smile* it due to poor coaching and player development. That's not the fault of the system; that's the fault of the RFC.
And do tell me how a club in such a parlous state as the RFC, from a list perspective, is going to attract top players under free agency?? Please also tell me how we are going to stop what few good players we have leaving for the prospect of success. Yep, I can see the RFC being a real beacon for attracting talent in the next few years.
collector said:
So please remind me which sport garners the most interest nationally?? Which sport has the biggest support via crowds and dollars generated via media rights due this interest in garners and the massive loyalty of the fan base? Which sport has completely dominated the other in all these areas for the past 2 decades hands down?
Answer those questions and that'll tell you which sport has the better system.
But it's pointless anyway; it's obvious you only care about the individuals in what is a team sport. Don't worry about the clubs that pay their way. I'm sure you'll be pleased when Brett Deledio can go to Collingwood and play in a premiership in 2013 and Richmond are compensated with pick 35 in the 2014 draft after finishing in the bottom 2 for the 4th year in a row.
Motown said:
When free agency starts take note of the four teams that are at the bottom of the ladder and in 15 years time they will be the same. The result will be the same basically the bottom four clubs will become feeder clubs or the top clubs.
Ridley said:
Suggest you take a drive over the murray.
The answer to this question is RL
Ridley said:
AFL has a wonderful attendance culture, no doubt.
Ridley said:
Aussie Rules. The games go for longer and have a huge amount of stoppages that allow for ads to be shown.
Ridley said:
Well given RL has a larger fan base, I guess I'd have to answer RL here
Ridley said:
AFL has dominated in some, RL in others. The media play the tune of the AFL being the "National" game, so dim muppets who are incapable of thinking for themselves believe the tripe they write. Has no basis in fact of course.
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Now, tell me, what does any of the above *smile* you write have anything to do with Free Agency?
Rather than completely ignore the question posed, try answering it again with relevant arguments.
The NRL has produced 8 unique premiership clubs over a 10 year period, the AFL 7. In the NRL, a club can immediately rebuild themselves and rise up the ladder, in the AFL, it takes many years.
So yes, your beloved, restrictive trade/drafting system makes it IMPOSSIBLE for clubs to improve themselves in any realistic timeframe.
No matter what tripe you want to spout, the fact that the NRL has produced similiar (1 more) numbers of premier clubs in the last decade, and the experience of clubs being able to rebuild themselves in a very short timeframe proves you wrong.
Now Free Trade is here. Build a bridge and deal with it sook.
Ridley said:
I don't give a sh!t about any clubs that cannot survive in a free market environment, no. Of course, the game runs a socialist regime that props up already insolvent clubs, so the scenario of clubs dying on a large scale, is nothing short of scaremongering.
If the AFL wanted 3 clubs gone, it would have already been done. As it was to Fitzroy.
What any of this has to do with the right of an employee to choose their employer I have absoloutely no idea.
If Trent or Brett don't see Richmond as an attractive employer, well that's a problem we need to deal with. Not PENALISE the players because we cannot provide an attractive work environment.
collector said:
I get it. I just don't agree.
Players must be registered with the AFL to be eligible to play in its competition (and remember that the competition is owned by the AFL). A club can employ that person in any capacity, but if they want to play the game, they must be registered as an AFL player. As part of their registration as an AFL player, the person signs that they agree with the rules of the game. Amongst those rules are the conditions relating to the draft and moving between clubs. The players sign that they agree. Registering as an AFL player is entirely their choice. As I said before, the AFL is not stopping them from being employed in any other field or by any football club in another capacity. What they are doing is offering them an opportunity to be a player within the AFL competition. So by signing the registration forms, they cannot then cry "restraint of trade" as they have agreed to the terms prior to accepting their offer of employment.
Ridley said:
Pretty muc, compare the population of those two states up against the remainder, which is you clearly know ... Is more, then look at the tv ratings for Aussie Rules in the two states, when the Swans/Lions are playing & you pretty much come to a clear realisation ... The people who live in the northern eastern seaboard states, who make up a majority of the population of the country ... don't give a crap about the southern game.
100-150k a week watch the Swans in Sydney on Saturday night footy.
National game my arse. Stop reading the propagandists in the Melbourne media and open your eyes.
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Fact - Free Agency gives Richmond a much greater chance of rebuilding faster, then the compromised draft system does.
collector said:
So I've provided 5 examples of clubs (WCE, Hawthorn, Bulldogs, Saints, Collingwood) that have rebuilt THIS DECADE and have either won a flag or gone very close. That's not a valid argument is it?? An impossible task is it??? Obviously :
Thanks for the free advice by the way.
Now, isn't it time you got back to your office at the AFLPA and ask Matt Finnis what he wants for lunch?
Edit - keep the insults out of it please.
