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Tigerbob said:
I'm one of those who has been an adamant advocate for having Terry coach out the season, but this is an excellent post.
Besides everything else, some certain suspects on here waging their jihad against Wallace need to accept some of your other points in this post re: The players
Tell you what TB, may have disagreed with you and some others about some things in the past but this week have earnt my respect with all of you being capable of having reasoned views on the events of this week.
Others need to let go of their anti-Wallace jihad and concede he isn't entirely to blame for what is going on at our club and sacking him alone is not going to change anything - Wallace is gone, you've won guys... Now let's get down to the business of fixing the OTHER problems in the club.
Does not matter how many players there were[According to Hutchy there were 13]however if you read between the lines right from sunday onwards the reason why it came to a head was issues with Wallace in regards to mixed messages[Game plans,Selection,etc].The Captain as he should be the spokesman on behalf of the playing group.Tigerbob said:
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
This is not about the 13 at the meeting, it's about the 5 or 6 that believe they are the ones that make the decisions for the club.
If the Players and Captain has grievances against the coach, well tell him that. Then tell the Chief of Football, then tell the CEO, then tell the President.
Do not, under any circumstance, tell him to quit, resign, leave whatever.
You and your rebel group do not make the decisions on behalf of the club, and never will.
Yet, they seem to think they can. An epidemic condition that has been around at Richmond for far too long.
Things must change, a message sent. You want a history changing moment, well here it is Richmond football Club.
Haven't seen the Footy Show and have only read the numerous comments on PRE.
I agree with Ridley, Redford and Tigerbob.
The players are largely at fault here and have showed just how soft and fragile they are. It isn't their job to judge the coach - That is the role of Cameron and the Board.
The players job is to play football and to carry out instructions provided by the coach - regardless of what they personally think of those instructions.
This to me highlights that there are too many individuals within the playing group which has always been mentally fragile. The silver lining in the entire bizarre episode is that hopefully it has highlighted those individuals that we need to clean out of the Club so that they can be replaced by players who will put their lives on the line for the coaching staff and the Club.
I agree with Ridley, Redford and Tigerbob.
The players are largely at fault here and have showed just how soft and fragile they are. It isn't their job to judge the coach - That is the role of Cameron and the Board.
The players job is to play football and to carry out instructions provided by the coach - regardless of what they personally think of those instructions.
This to me highlights that there are too many individuals within the playing group which has always been mentally fragile. The silver lining in the entire bizarre episode is that hopefully it has highlighted those individuals that we need to clean out of the Club so that they can be replaced by players who will put their lives on the line for the coaching staff and the Club.
HellsTiger said:Hutchy got 1/2 hr prime airtime to justify his position, though he said nothing new and wouldn't say how he knew what was said in a meeting of only several people.
He didn't even give anyone from the RFC the right of reply. This looks to me as a cover my butt exerise by Hutchy, poor journalism. He ran with a story he has not facts to back up with. A meeting was held, fact. What was said, they won't tell Mr Hutchy so I'll fill in my own gaps and teach them for making me look bad, I'm the bestsports journalist in Melbourne, look at me, look at me, look at me.....
If the players did try and push Terry, they should be smacked into line.
The Board seems to be handling the chaos pretty well.
The club/board needs to have a very strong showing of unity on Saturday night. Stand together on the G with coach, captain, senior players & board all very tight. Its us against the world mentality.
Then it would be nice if we played hard aggressive footy and won.
No doubt about this. Hutchy has been struggling and had absolutely nothing for 3 weeks. Sam was on the verge of making a fool of him as a result. The pressure was on for a big story and he did his absolute best to turn a half story based on rumour and not fact into one.
Showed what a desperate little dewb he is and did his rep as much damage as anyone at the RFC.
skiptomystu said:
No - It is the start of the clean out and the beginning of a new dawn for the RFC if handled right by the Board.
The Board need to stay firm and show that they will not be dictated to by the media or by the feral supporter base. This will give prospective coaches some faith in the fact that the Board are strong and will not succumb when pressure is applied. This gives us a chance of getting a good coach who can clean out the playing list and instil a new culture within the Club.
The culture within the playing group needs to change.
Tigerbob said:
To me, one thing about March is that he appears publicly, to have the confidence to back himself under scrutiny.
Do you not think in your opinion March has the strength to undertake such fundamental change? Particularly if it coincided with a new coach coming on board? We both know the tail has wagged the dog for far too long within the club, but until now, it's never been in the public eye like it has this week.
I honestly believe it being made public would give the new coach the ammunition to be able to sell such change to the members (ie: Sacking players)
A few callers on KB's SEN show this morning were not convinced with this 'exclusive' that Crutchy provided. He actually proved no fact that Newman was the cause by asking/telling Wallace to step down.
Just like when he as a journo knows that there IS something fishy going on when he asks questions and receives a 'no comment' response from players and coaches, he hypocritically didn't even answer SAM Newman's question on if this fact is true, and so bypassed the question.
On SEN, even Greg Denham from The Age gave him some hard questions along with KB. The funny thing was that as many callers commented on just laughing at what he showed on the Footy show last night, he decided to call in and explain it all again and even stated "I was there at the meeting". This clearly shows that Crutchy's only making assumptions and doesn't want to ruin his reputation when people go against him.
I heard Mark Robinson apologise to Wallace & Royal with a sheepish tone in his voice, but this *smile* called Crutchy continues to stand by his words thinking he is the absolute best in the world when in fact all he's done is just show our players walk out of a meeting in Port Melbourne.
Just like when he as a journo knows that there IS something fishy going on when he asks questions and receives a 'no comment' response from players and coaches, he hypocritically didn't even answer SAM Newman's question on if this fact is true, and so bypassed the question.
On SEN, even Greg Denham from The Age gave him some hard questions along with KB. The funny thing was that as many callers commented on just laughing at what he showed on the Footy show last night, he decided to call in and explain it all again and even stated "I was there at the meeting". This clearly shows that Crutchy's only making assumptions and doesn't want to ruin his reputation when people go against him.
I heard Mark Robinson apologise to Wallace & Royal with a sheepish tone in his voice, but this *smile* called Crutchy continues to stand by his words thinking he is the absolute best in the world when in fact all he's done is just show our players walk out of a meeting in Port Melbourne.
Totally agree TB. Before a new coach is even thought about Wallaces tenure must be terminated and then quickly followed by the termination of contracts of the players who helped esculate this debacle. At this stage we know that Johnson, Simmonds and King were involved. If however over the course of time more players have been involved then they must go as well. Even sadly if its the likes of Deledio, Coughlan or dare I say it Cotchin.Tigerbob said:
The cancer must be cut out otherwise it will just continue to grow.
Lotsa guesswork on this thread.
I'll give you the facts.
- We the members have not been told the full story.
- The journos don't know the full story, even if some of them think they do.
- The media would rather be first with the news than correct with the news.
So, is the club in crisis? Maybe yes. Maybe no. But that depends on whether you believe everything in the press.
And remember, they got it horribly wrong earlier in the week. The Hun published the news that Wallace had been sacked. Has there been a retraction? No.
And so the media - with egg on their faces - use attack as the best form of defence.
Well I'm not swallowing their bile.
I will however agree we have issues.
But I'm not going to accept the media's judgement on how serious those issues are. Because like me, they don't know.
Go Tiges!
I'll give you the facts.
- We the members have not been told the full story.
- The journos don't know the full story, even if some of them think they do.
- The media would rather be first with the news than correct with the news.
So, is the club in crisis? Maybe yes. Maybe no. But that depends on whether you believe everything in the press.
And remember, they got it horribly wrong earlier in the week. The Hun published the news that Wallace had been sacked. Has there been a retraction? No.
And so the media - with egg on their faces - use attack as the best form of defence.
Well I'm not swallowing their bile.
I will however agree we have issues.
But I'm not going to accept the media's judgement on how serious those issues are. Because like me, they don't know.
Go Tiges!
poppa x said:
I think we'll know in about 30 hours time Poppa.
If there is anything wrong with what's been reported, particularly in the last 36 hours, then Newman will be breathing fire tomorrow night and the team will as well.
If they roll over meekly and we get pummeled by 10 goals +, then I am going to stick with relying on the likes of Tigerbob etc and the stock tehy put in their sources.
