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It's been funny reading everyone's reactions to all this. If our membership drops next year, it will have more to do with the bandwagonners and West Coast supporters who joined because of the Cousins hype jumping back off than the events of this week. That whole "I'm gonna tear up my membership now" crap has been going on forever and I'm yet to find a torn membership card anywhere.
I have no source, but I believe this happened as reported. I can't stand Craig Hutchison, but he's an experienced journo and he would not have gone so strongly on this if he was not positive it happened, especially after the media got it wrong on Tuesday. The confirmation of a few on here who have obvious links to the club back that up. I find it humerous that so many on here are happy to have a cheap shot at the journo rather than comment on the story.
Chris Newman must either deny this story in the strongest possible words or resign as captain. It either happened, or it didn't. If it did happen, his captaincy is untenable. I don't think a public apology is enough.
Kane Johnson must publicly deny his reported role, or resign from the club. Ditto Simmonds and King. If they have led this revolt, their presence around the club even for the rest of the year would be harmful.
This isn't the first time (and won't be the last time) a coach has lost his players. It is one of the most public times that I can remember though. The only positive in this is how the club has handled it. I don't think the club has a choice but to let Wallace coach out the year. If we do ask him to leave before that it will look like the players have got their way. That will reflect so poorly on our club and would certainly detract from hiring a semi-decent coach for next year.
My final thought is who the hell would want to coach us next year? Are we going to be stuck with a third-rate coach who can't get a job anywhere else. The ramifications from this week could be held for years to come.
I have no source, but I believe this happened as reported. I can't stand Craig Hutchison, but he's an experienced journo and he would not have gone so strongly on this if he was not positive it happened, especially after the media got it wrong on Tuesday. The confirmation of a few on here who have obvious links to the club back that up. I find it humerous that so many on here are happy to have a cheap shot at the journo rather than comment on the story.
Chris Newman must either deny this story in the strongest possible words or resign as captain. It either happened, or it didn't. If it did happen, his captaincy is untenable. I don't think a public apology is enough.
Kane Johnson must publicly deny his reported role, or resign from the club. Ditto Simmonds and King. If they have led this revolt, their presence around the club even for the rest of the year would be harmful.
This isn't the first time (and won't be the last time) a coach has lost his players. It is one of the most public times that I can remember though. The only positive in this is how the club has handled it. I don't think the club has a choice but to let Wallace coach out the year. If we do ask him to leave before that it will look like the players have got their way. That will reflect so poorly on our club and would certainly detract from hiring a semi-decent coach for next year.
My final thought is who the hell would want to coach us next year? Are we going to be stuck with a third-rate coach who can't get a job anywhere else. The ramifications from this week could be held for years to come.
Hutchy could only turn his 'drama' into swiss cheese, has failed to gain other events that unfolded at Adelaide and also once they returned to Melbourne. Failed to give us Wallace's actions and who the real mole was.
Last night's 'Richmond in Crisis' must of rated through the roof, but Hutchy gets 2 out of 10 in my books.
I will say no more!
Last night's 'Richmond in Crisis' must of rated through the roof, but Hutchy gets 2 out of 10 in my books.
I will say no more!
The club must find the mole and escort him/her from the club. What would a prospective coach be thinking.....can't even give the boys a spray without it being leaked to the press, the players think they run the club etc.
The actual events (as they have been reported) are bad enough, but the worst thing is that Hutchy, Caro etc. have got a hold of them. It is an absolute disgrace that things can't be kept in-house and this joke of a football club. A disgrace.
How attractive are we to a prospective coach now.....a crap list, a horrid culture, more leaks than a colander....they will run a mile when we approach them and we will be left with the dregs as we were when Goofy took over from Gieschen. That is my concern.
The actual events (as they have been reported) are bad enough, but the worst thing is that Hutchy, Caro etc. have got a hold of them. It is an absolute disgrace that things can't be kept in-house and this joke of a football club. A disgrace.
How attractive are we to a prospective coach now.....a crap list, a horrid culture, more leaks than a colander....they will run a mile when we approach them and we will be left with the dregs as we were when Goofy took over from Gieschen. That is my concern.
TB obviously you are very close to the inner sanctum of the club and get to hear a few more things than the average Richmond supporter. In your opinion do you think its best that Wallace is sacked now or do you think that March and Cameron should still wait until the mid season review? By staying on is there the potential for him to cause irreversible damage?Tigerbob said:
Agree Phil, the leak must be stopped and Newman dumped as skipper. Imagine a prospective coach looking at this whole sordid mess based on players having a huge hissy fit and then demanding the coach resign. We will be getting Frawley back the way this is panning out.
Total Tiger said:
Name one other club that is dumb enough to offer a coach a 5 year deal and over $2.5 mill ?
Also it doesnt matter if you cant coach we will keep you there for 5 years and theres no way we will sack you.
How much more job security would any prospective coach want?
Total Tiger said:
Agree.
As has been said, the rebels had reasonable points, but went about it totally the wrong way. I'd like to know why they went down that track instead of bringing concerns to the coach and probably Cameron face to face in a measured way. Have they tried to and failed? Are these mechanisms not available or just discouraged, and if so why and by whom? There looks to be poor communication and personnel management in the football department.
Also, while Cameron and March have handled the immediate crisis, they now need to do something to show that the rebels actions won't tolerated. We can't just pretend it didn't happen. Newman has to stand-down. He was the figure-head of the 'rebellion' and has to take the consequences, quite apart from the hopelessness of the captain/coach relationship now.
The 'rebels' have made things even more difficult with Wallace, and may have resulted in us keeping him on for the whole season to maintain player discipline.
waiting said:
Nope won't be them because they look like the villains in this.
MG said:
Exactly I'm bemused that the action is more violent when it comes from Snatchy rather than Caro. Caro's article appeared on the Age website the previous night and some of us were commenting on it then.
Our club is having enough problems without the dills on this website reinforcing a public perception about our supporters that is perpetrated by a media that is using these dills as fuel for a fire that will ultimately burn our club.
The outlets that are reporting some of the crap in the last week will be reading this site, laughing and rubbing their hands together at the stupidity of Richmond "supporters" and their need to watch their own club burn.
It goes on and on and on and on and on
The outlets that are reporting some of the crap in the last week will be reading this site, laughing and rubbing their hands together at the stupidity of Richmond "supporters" and their need to watch their own club burn.
It goes on and on and on and on and on
Smoking Aces said:
I have said it since the Melbourne game, ask Dyer Disciple and The General, CC Tiger and geoffreyprettyboy, and whomever I have the pleasure of watching Richmond and Coburg games with, the position as senior coach has been untenable since that time because all of sundry knew Terry is a goner as coach.
This type of incident was bound to happen. The players are and have been playing for a coach that has no authority. The black cloud that was over our club, has now turned into a storm.
On the "process" thing, look the club are trying to do the right thing, I think after so many years with that reputation I cannot blame them for wanting to go down the path they chose, but, it has now caused this massive dysfunction in the club, and to be honest, this hurts the club long term, more than a reputation of sacking another coach.
I have no clue how it is going to play out, but the dysfunction we see now, is public, so action has to be taken, but not only with Wallace, but a message needs to be sent out to some players.
Sack Kane Johnson, Sack Troy Simmonds, Sack Jake King. Send a message that the club is stronger than the individual and what has happened, will never be accepted.
As for Chris Newman, whether naive or not, it was a stupid thing to do and should be stood down as captain next season.
All this is my opinion and despite what people think carries no influence from anyone within the club.
Thanks for the input TB.Tigerbob said:
Agree, that if this club is going to make a stance once and for all its not only the coach that has to go but those also causing this disruption. I feel sorry for Newman because he has had one hell of a introduction as captain but I beleive that he too must stand down from his position. No doubt he has the clubs best interests at heart but he can no longer lead this team beyond 2009.
Why was Hutchy not asked who his source was and how factual it was ?
Sounds really odd to me. ALL OF IT.
Sorry I have not read all of the threads.... :-[
Sounds really odd to me. ALL OF IT.
Sorry I have not read all of the threads.... :-[
Newman should stay as captain - showed he has balls, isn't a yes man and did something to get rid of the dissaster that is Wallace. March and Cameron are to blame for letting it get to this.
After rd 11 the club should sack Wallace and enforce the caretaker to focus on developing kids and tanking this dissaster of a season.
The club is indecisive and always fails to see the big picture.
After rd 11 the club should sack Wallace and enforce the caretaker to focus on developing kids and tanking this dissaster of a season.
The club is indecisive and always fails to see the big picture.
A lot of interesting thoughts.
Only time will tell.
I just hope people calm down a bit, someone might get hurt... :angel:
Only time will tell.
I just hope people calm down a bit, someone might get hurt... :angel:
Harry said:
I'm sorry but I totally disagree. I think the club is being very decisive by letting the players know who runs the club. And they are seeing the much bigger picture. You cannot let players decide who coaches them or, in this case, who doesn't. The culture of our club must be that the managers manage, the coaches coach and the players play.
Newman hasn't shown his balls. He's shown his naivity and his later regret, if true, shows that he is a follower too easily led, rather than a leader.
Harry said:
Disagree Harrison.
1) The history and results of this playing group dictates that it is NOT in a position to demand anything of anyone;
2) Wallace is set to go either at the end of the year or mid-term anyway so what was the point of creating a stink now ? Ridiculous.
3) He’s created exactly the situation we didn’t want and that is, having potential coaches looking at us and thinking “WTF ?”. We just needed to get to the end of the year or mid term without any fiasco, but he's cocked that up completely.
Despite on-field results, disharmony or whatever, he should have just shut his mouth and told the other players to stick it out for the next month or two and things would resolve themselves then. Simple.
He and the other softos have compromised the club greatly.
