tigertim said:
Agree with this tim.
The one thing that you hear consistently through survival stories is that many are just happy to escape with their lives.
Life cannot be replaced, get out if possible & let insurance take care of the rest.
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Agree with this tim.
The one thing that you hear consistently through survival stories is that many are just happy to escape with their lives.
Life cannot be replaced, get out if possible & let insurance take care of the rest.
Also agree - remember he who dies with the most toys still dies.
Human life is more precious than most posessions.
Pack the important things that cant be replaced up with clothes and pets / kids and get the hell out would be my mantra.
The saddest part re these fires was ther unpredictableness, blast furness winds that drove them along with the conditions, it was a fire storm the likes never seen before, and many long time residents of these areas had fought bush fires before and probably believed they could turn this one back, unfortunately by the time this fire was upon them it was soon obvious to those caught in its path nothing was gonna stop this one.
I feel for one and all and my thoughts and prayers to all whove lost their lives , lost family or friends, pets, and houses.
This is the most devatstating natural disaster in the history of this country.
To Angie my thoughts to you and my best wishes, tender mercies that you are here and with your partner and can go on.
Human life is more precious than most posessions.
Pack the important things that cant be replaced up with clothes and pets / kids and get the hell out would be my mantra.
The saddest part re these fires was ther unpredictableness, blast furness winds that drove them along with the conditions, it was a fire storm the likes never seen before, and many long time residents of these areas had fought bush fires before and probably believed they could turn this one back, unfortunately by the time this fire was upon them it was soon obvious to those caught in its path nothing was gonna stop this one.
I feel for one and all and my thoughts and prayers to all whove lost their lives , lost family or friends, pets, and houses.
This is the most devatstating natural disaster in the history of this country.
To Angie my thoughts to you and my best wishes, tender mercies that you are here and with your partner and can go on.
I think your post was fine and was obvious in regard to your own thoughts as to what you would do mate dont stress.
To stay or go is easier said than done i reckon, and the force, speed and ferocity of these blazes caught many unawares a little i reckon they moved so so fast and just tore through the countryside at a rate unprecedented.
As we have seen many deaths due to those caught in the firing line realised how bad this was when it was too late, some were even caught trying to leave believeing they had more time than they did.
I cannot fathom the feelings, and horrific nature of being there.
Each to there own , but somehow i believe the stay or go policy will be reviewed now with a likely result ending up with forced evacuations in the future.
To stay or go is easier said than done i reckon, and the force, speed and ferocity of these blazes caught many unawares a little i reckon they moved so so fast and just tore through the countryside at a rate unprecedented.
As we have seen many deaths due to those caught in the firing line realised how bad this was when it was too late, some were even caught trying to leave believeing they had more time than they did.
I cannot fathom the feelings, and horrific nature of being there.
Each to there own , but somehow i believe the stay or go policy will be reviewed now with a likely result ending up with forced evacuations in the future.
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just wanted to say its surreal.I cant begin to imagine what Saturday was like.To everyone affected,my thoughts are with everyone and to think it was 46.4 degrees on Saturday is justunbelievable,I remember Ash Wednesday in 1983 vividly and its was an unbelievable day.Hang in there dow n there...victorians have a history of rising above.May god be with yous down there.
Mass evacuation isn't always practical...it's easy to bleat about it now but the people of Kinglake and Marysville for example had no warning of what was coming. So many I've spoken to or heard on radio say they heard a massive noise and all of a sudden the fire was there. How could anyone have ordered them to get out or even alerted them to the danger?
Understood Tim.
Everyone's situation is different. Tragically a lot of people died fleeing the fires too. They didn't have time or warning to get out earlier. Our situation is a bit different. We have kept the paddock around our house bare in case of fire and we have a dam and swimming pool nearby if we need to seek cover from a fire. Less dangerous than smoky roads, crashed cars and fallen and fallen trees as far as I am concerned. Every option is dangerous in a fire but the thing is to be as prepared as possible and people should also have plans in place if leaving early isn't an option. Sadly sometimes nothing can be done no matter how well prepared people are.
Hartfelt I hope I'm reading your post incorrectly. Are your Mum and stepdad ok?
tigertim said:
Understood Tim.
Everyone's situation is different. Tragically a lot of people died fleeing the fires too. They didn't have time or warning to get out earlier. Our situation is a bit different. We have kept the paddock around our house bare in case of fire and we have a dam and swimming pool nearby if we need to seek cover from a fire. Less dangerous than smoky roads, crashed cars and fallen and fallen trees as far as I am concerned. Every option is dangerous in a fire but the thing is to be as prepared as possible and people should also have plans in place if leaving early isn't an option. Sadly sometimes nothing can be done no matter how well prepared people are.
Hartfelt I hope I'm reading your post incorrectly. Are your Mum and stepdad ok?
The problem is knowing when to leave. There have been fire warnings before and nothings happened, so how do you establish which warning you should be concerned about?
There were constant warnings last week that Saturday was gonna contain worse conditions than Ash Wednesday. I'm sure alot of people thought it was a media beat up and thought they'd be ok.
The extreme hot wind Saturday morning should have been enough warning for people to pack their stuff and go on a weekend away somewhere.
I didn't listen to the radio on Saturday, but I wonder whether stations were calling for people to evacuate when the firestorm was gathering pace.
There were constant warnings last week that Saturday was gonna contain worse conditions than Ash Wednesday. I'm sure alot of people thought it was a media beat up and thought they'd be ok.
The extreme hot wind Saturday morning should have been enough warning for people to pack their stuff and go on a weekend away somewhere.
I didn't listen to the radio on Saturday, but I wonder whether stations were calling for people to evacuate when the firestorm was gathering pace.
Harry said:
Not in Kinglake unfortunately. I was listening and it seemed to happen all of a sudden. It appears to have caught everyone out because of two factors (1) the wind change, and (2) the heat/intensity and speed of the fire.
The CFA/Australian (oft tragically misunderstood) policy of 'leave early or stay and fight' has been, up until now, very successful, and praised and adopted globally. It may be that this policy actually saved many lives on the weekend.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKSYD72081
However it also appears from the numerous tragic reports that the weekend's conditions were unprecedented, and some who followed the policy to the letter have been lost. A change or modification of the policy, for some fires at the very least, will likely be necessary.
Condolences and thoughts with those affected.
If you are not busy tonight I encourage everyone to consider heading down to one of the fire relief centres to volunteer. They need all the help they can get.
My deepest sympathy for those affected by these terrible events.
I was part of a volunteer group that did a damage survey / audit of Lorne and the surrounding area after the Ash Wednesday bushfires and what we saw on the ground there led us to believe that you should never stay with your house to protect it - eg - houses had exploded and were scattered all over the place, houses had melted - not just burned - there were hardened pools of clay and glass where houses stood, asphalt roads had become molten rivers and slid down hill to finish in big burnt lumps at the bottom. To think you can fight this with a garden hose, buckets of water and wetted blankets just makes no sense to me - and I still cannot believe that this is an option available to good, decent but misinformed people.
At the time we were astonished that a policy was drawn up soon after advising people that they could either "stay or go".
The only reason the death toll at that time was much less than today was that those 100's of people in Lorne had a beach to finally escape to and could reach it by foot. Not to quack on about numbers - but the lessons were there to be learnt back in '83.
I was part of a volunteer group that did a damage survey / audit of Lorne and the surrounding area after the Ash Wednesday bushfires and what we saw on the ground there led us to believe that you should never stay with your house to protect it - eg - houses had exploded and were scattered all over the place, houses had melted - not just burned - there were hardened pools of clay and glass where houses stood, asphalt roads had become molten rivers and slid down hill to finish in big burnt lumps at the bottom. To think you can fight this with a garden hose, buckets of water and wetted blankets just makes no sense to me - and I still cannot believe that this is an option available to good, decent but misinformed people.
At the time we were astonished that a policy was drawn up soon after advising people that they could either "stay or go".
The only reason the death toll at that time was much less than today was that those 100's of people in Lorne had a beach to finally escape to and could reach it by foot. Not to quack on about numbers - but the lessons were there to be learnt back in '83.
Some places might need people but at the refuge centre here I was told that have more volunteers than they can use at the moment. That will probably change in a few days though...and of course there will be volunteer work needed for many months to come even if people aren't needed immediately. If not assigned a particular role a smile, a hug and a kind word can be comforting to those in such desperate circumstances.
We have quite a few injured kids in hospital here so I'm taking some games and books, and maybe a couple of treats, to give them tomorrow.
We have quite a few injured kids in hospital here so I'm taking some games and books, and maybe a couple of treats, to give them tomorrow.
Cheers to the Aussie Cricket team for taking time to visit the area & bring smiles to the kids faces heard it was the idea of Michael Clarke think he gets a bad rap by some members of the public showing leadership on this one!!
I'm with the Dromana CFA and just got back from a night fighting spot fires and flare ups in the Kinglake area. It's incredible to see the damage wrought on this township and it's surrounds. My initial thought was that some areas look like a nuclear bomb has hit.
One of the most sobering experiences I've ever had.
The couple of locals I talked to last night and this morning also astounded me. Tales of survival, and there strength and resiliance in the face of all this destruction and loss is truly inspiring. These familys and towns will need all the help we can give, and I'm sure that they will get it. Proud to be an Aussie, and a Victorian.
One of the most sobering experiences I've ever had.
The couple of locals I talked to last night and this morning also astounded me. Tales of survival, and there strength and resiliance in the face of all this destruction and loss is truly inspiring. These familys and towns will need all the help we can give, and I'm sure that they will get it. Proud to be an Aussie, and a Victorian.
Re: Rosy
Actually I think it was Leonard Cohen, Paul Kelly and Frontier Touring (the promoter)
barty boy said:
Actually I think it was Leonard Cohen, Paul Kelly and Frontier Touring (the promoter)
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