Baron Samedi said:
It looks like that because all players do the defensive grunt and all players are around as many contests as they can.
When the ball pops out they're ready to spread and they've got a lot more than one attacking option. Team.
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It looks like that because all players do the defensive grunt and all players are around as many contests as they can.
When the ball pops out they're ready to spread and they've got a lot more than one attacking option. Team.
Tigers of Old said:
Attacking options everywhere, agreed. Beveridge trusts them to go. We need to be more like that. We got Rance, Grimes, Short down back and we don't trust them either. Structure and priorities have been all wrong.
By the way, you don't kick goals when every single player is a "two-way" footballer.
Tactics and roles are necessarily more complex than that. Scoring is as much about creating players in space as defensive sweat.
Understand the logic of playing a player to his strengths but it's incongruous to suggest that one player be exempt from the defensive aspects of the game. All players must be able to both defend as well as spread and attack at various stages of the game. Our problem is that we have never had the balance right.
In terms of juniors, I remember Roosy saying that the one problem with elite juniors is that they have always played the game on their terms and therefore have never really needed to defend due the their naturally attacking flair. Teaching art of defence to these kids was the key priority for Roosy.
In terms of juniors, I remember Roosy saying that the one problem with elite juniors is that they have always played the game on their terms and therefore have never really needed to defend due the their naturally attacking flair. Teaching art of defence to these kids was the key priority for Roosy.
Baron Samedi said:
So, we i.e. RFC and our coach does not 'trust(s) them to go,' on your say-so? We never see Rance, Grimes, Short ever send an attacking kick into the FL? According to ... you? It's because our 'Structure and priorities have been all wrong.' All of them, every time? Not just opting not to kick to a 2/3 V 1 and hold the ball up for more players to move into an offensive position, which is the way that most teams play due to deploying a +1 in defence?
OMG. How have we ever scored at all? Now, on the basis of your ubiquitous football IQ, it's all clear what our issues are to me and all on PRE. Thank you so much for that illumination, BS.
Or, could it be that the Bulldogs "two-way" footballers base their whole game on speed - of mind as well as body. They attack the loose ball, or the contest at high speed, winning possession by quick, clean hands or by forcing turnovers via fierce tackling and pressure acts, then move it into attack as fast as possible, relaying it on to the player who has broken away into space the best (and thus has created more time), and so in the best position to use the ball most dangerously.
It is crucial to be "two-way" so that you don't allow your opponent to clear away from you doing exactly the same thing for the other side. But you must react and move rapidly, breaking away from that opponent when your team-mates win the ball. Have you never watched what Bontempelli does?
Anyway, think you lost this debate about 3 posts ago, you just refuse to see it.
leon said:
I was saying that Dimma imposes too many conditions on our players. The result is we lack dare and flair.
As for Dusty, you don't expect him to be Duncan Kellaway. Not if you want to win games.
(to be honest, I didn't read much of your post. I just find them difficult to wade through. Perhaps try a different style?)
Baron Samedi said:
The lack of dare and flair is due to not having recruited enough fast, skilful players about 6/7 years ago. We had invested heavily in great forwards, Richo and Nathan Brown, and failed to be able to replace them with anyone so talented (besides JR) when both their careers curtailed earlier than expected. Our FL has been poor for years, in personnel and talent but especially speed. The recruitment and maturing development of Lloyd, Rioli, Markov, Bolton, maybe Cal Moore and Stengle to support Jack and Griffiths, should finally make our attack more offensive in 2017.
I agree DH is overly defensive, but tbf, the players he has had at his disposal have hardly been inspiring.
If you think Duncan Kellaway was a midfielder, then your footy IQ is worse than I ever realised. All players need to break into space rapidly, seeking metres from their opponents and attack when we have the ball. Then just as abruptly chase, tackle and pressure when the opposition has it. Including Dusty.Yes, he had to spend too much time gathering his kicks in our defence last year, just as Jack had to outside the F50. But this was due to the poor, slow attacking options and an undermanned midfield depth-wise, often beaten in clearances.
Ooops! Tried to keep it really short and simple for you, but failed again. I'd try to draw pictures for you but was always average in Art.
leon said:
What was he then? A marine biologist?
Was I hallucinating his epically hard tag on the heroes of yesteryear?
Dear oh dear.
Baron Samedi said:
Kellaway played the vast majority of his games down back, with occasional roles as a tagger.
Martin has never really been used so, nor is he ever likely to be IMHO. Career high stats in 2016; used mostly as an attacking mid over his whole career.
But typical response when challenged again; pick on one little 'tree', and think you're fooling everyone by dodging the 'forest'.
However, I do concede it probably did pass over your head with that length and complexity. As you admit, beyond your 'wading' ability.
leon said:
Carry on, Leon :hihi
Little I can do. You've taken ToO's argument and crazied it beyond recognition.
Re Dusty I wouldn't read a lot into Lambert's comments anyway.
I fully expect him to be spending a lot more time in attacking parts of the ground this season.
His stats might be down on last year but hopefully his goal scoring will be up.
I fully expect him to be spending a lot more time in attacking parts of the ground this season.
His stats might be down on last year but hopefully his goal scoring will be up.
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"Dear, oh dear!!!"
But what's with you replying for BS and he replying for you? Strange. Unless same identities, interchangeable? Where does ToO fit in?
Surely not all sharing a Nanna flat together!!??
Think your 'other person flatulence' would be a far greater concern.
But what's with you replying for BS and he replying for you? Strange. Unless same identities, interchangeable? Where does ToO fit in?
Surely not all sharing a Nanna flat together!!??
Think your 'other person flatulence' would be a far greater concern.
Anyway, I think Dusty is right up there with Buckley and Lids in regard to long foot passing. He's breathtaking. He's also a gun when shooting for goal on the run up to 60 metres out. Watch the game against the Lions at the Gabba in his 2nd year I think.
I think whenever he has the ball outside the D50, forwards should be leading and expecting the ball. Cut out those dinky 20 metre passes from the outside of his foot. Kick it long to JR and others one-on-one. Give the small forwards a chance to run onto it and use their pace. His distance and accuracy should be fully utilized.
He should also have carte blanche to go for goal whenever he's in range, unless a team-mate is clearly all alone. Got so frustrated last year when he was in range and gave it off.
Use his strengths, long kicking to position, kicking goals on the run and getting him one-on-one in the FP when he's resting.
I think whenever he has the ball outside the D50, forwards should be leading and expecting the ball. Cut out those dinky 20 metre passes from the outside of his foot. Kick it long to JR and others one-on-one. Give the small forwards a chance to run onto it and use their pace. His distance and accuracy should be fully utilized.
He should also have carte blanche to go for goal whenever he's in range, unless a team-mate is clearly all alone. Got so frustrated last year when he was in range and gave it off.
Use his strengths, long kicking to position, kicking goals on the run and getting him one-on-one in the FP when he's resting.
How good is his stiff arm on Caddy (?) At 1:12min in the midfielder video on the rfc website. Its a bloody rippa!
