BTW I am not condoning WAM's actions. Just not sure Harold has been deceived and taken advantage of as alluded to.
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BTW I am not condoning WAM's actions. Just not sure Harold has been deceived and taken advantage of as alluded to.
Your political persuasion assumes the worst. Bad capitalism taking advantage of people.
They haven't bought the copyright, they have signed an exclusivity agreement. I'm not sure they should have that, but you can't ignore Harold from this.
Here is another article, statements from WAM clothing
The WHITE couple who own the rights to the Aboriginal Flag
Ben Wooster and Semele Moore smiled broadly as they stood next to Aboriginal Flag designer Harold Thomas just moments after their company WAM Clothing was given the copyright.
" There was a previous clothing licensee, it was an Indian company, but Harold wasn't happy with the work they were doing and so he approached my business partner (Mr Wooster) who he had been working with previously.'
So their view is that they didn't approach Harold, its the other way around.
Surely there should be some balance and that he may not be doing right by his people???
It surely can't be immediately bad white guy, good black guy. Maybe it can be bad white guy and bad black guy.
What you are choosing to ignore is that without Harold having copyright the rights could not be purchased by a white company. Why was a black fella icon for sale?
Rights to the flag were sold in 2018. Was the flag used to promote Dreamtime last year?
If so, what's changed?
If not, why wasn't this sorted out months ago instead of leaving it until the week of the match?
If so, what's changed?
If not, why wasn't this sorted out months ago instead of leaving it until the week of the match?
Ezty seems to think black people can’t think, act and look out for themselves. White people are out to get them at every turn. Hence everything that involves a black person is a race issue to him.
Lance Franklin paid for the rights to use the flag on his clothing brand.
Maybe the owners were holding the AFL to ransom, maybe not. COVID has killed the AFL money tree.
Maybe the owners were holding the AFL to ransom, maybe not. COVID has killed the AFL money tree.
and now wants more money so that he'll allow them to use what they consider "their flag"
He did and then got abused for doing so, so removed himself from sourcing those rights.
I did read an article that said the AFL refused to pay WAM the amount they wanted to use the flag on the fields and merchandise. Its a shame and nowhere have I said I condone what WAM are doing either, just the immediate thought that you can't condone the copyright owner because he's an aborigine that couldn't possible have made the wrong decision on this is what I find quite confounding.
I've made my position clear that the flag should be owned by the government and allowed to be used in the same way as the Australian flag.
I heard Shelley Ware on SEN the other day, she was applauding the AFL ( & other entities) that did not put their hands in their pockets, She wants everyone to boycott the flag & support the free the flag campaign.
I like the strategy, make it worthless to the c***s who hold the copyright
p.s, blame Ezy for my use of the c word
I don't profess to understand how these things work. Obviously the idea was worth money to the flag's creator and the money was more important than ensuring it went under Aboriginal control. Not sure who the ideal owner would be. ATSIC?
ATSIC is long gone. Maybe the people who put together the Uluru Declaration in 2017. They at least seem to have some legitimacy in regards their claims to represent Aboriginal Australians.
Dunno about independent Aboriginal bodies. Likely to devolve into a shitfight.
Maybe the government should do as poshman suggests, buy it and make it open slather.
the flag story is madness. if WAM had a soul they'd free the image up. end of.
as far as the artist goes? do the same.
otherwise - if you change the image even by a small/subtle amount, it's not the image. no drama.
best solution - government buys it.
as far as the artist goes? do the same.
otherwise - if you change the image even by a small/subtle amount, it's not the image. no drama.
best solution - government buys it.
That dodgy couple at WAM have no soul, it’s all about the $
They’ve been fined millions In the past for passing off fake aboriginal art as legit, and after issuing cease and desist notices to Clothing the Gap (and others), got caught copying Clothing the Gap designs on their own merch.
Very dodgy
They’ve been fined millions In the past for passing off fake aboriginal art as legit, and after issuing cease and desist notices to Clothing the Gap (and others), got caught copying Clothing the Gap designs on their own merch.
Very dodgy
I've missed something here obviously.
Can someone correct me in simple terms.
So am I to understand that the Aboriginal flag has been bought up or corporatised and as such it can no longer be freely used by anyone including the Aboriginal People themselves or any or all Australians including waving at festivals, gatherings, Aboriginal cultural activities, Government Buildings or appear on stickers or clothing or hats and such.
Am I misreading this?
#$%^@#%^ Me how did that happen?
Can someone correct me in simple terms.
So am I to understand that the Aboriginal flag has been bought up or corporatised and as such it can no longer be freely used by anyone including the Aboriginal People themselves or any or all Australians including waving at festivals, gatherings, Aboriginal cultural activities, Government Buildings or appear on stickers or clothing or hats and such.
Am I misreading this?
#$%^@#%^ Me how did that happen?
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WAM is only one part. If they rescind the exclusive agreement, then Harold Thomas may well go and find someone else to provide that exclusive agreement to.
Here is another article, mainly about the Torres Strait Islander flag (where the copyright is owned by the Torres Strait Island Regional Council.
Scroll to the bottom you will see Harold Thomas's point. If he actually believed what he said, then maybe he wouldn't be controlling how the flag can be reproduced.
www.sbs.com.au
Here is another article, mainly about the Torres Strait Islander flag (where the copyright is owned by the Torres Strait Island Regional Council.
Scroll to the bottom you will see Harold Thomas's point. If he actually believed what he said, then maybe he wouldn't be controlling how the flag can be reproduced.
Aboriginal flag copyright controversy flutters across the Torres Strait
Controversy around a copyright-use agreement over the Aboriginal flag has raised issues with the Torres Strait Islander Flag.
www.sbs.com.au
