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Dreamtime 2020 Game Day
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Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
There's a precedent to this. It's tacky and I don't mean the following example to disrespect the Aboriginal flag by comparison, but the circumstances are similar.
In 1983 our former President Alan Bond flew the boxing kangaroo flag on Australia II in the America's Cup. It was very popular, and a for a while it was even mentioned as an alternative in the Aussie flag debate.
The copyright was owned by Bond, and he licensed it for commercial purposes. He was probably the one promoting it as an Aussie flag.
Anyway, we lost the next America's Cup and support for the boxing kangaroo waned. Unlike the Indigenous flag right now, it was probably worth little in merchandising and Bond sold it to the AOC.
So yes, the Aboriginal flag could indeed be sold to an Indigenous organisation to commercialise as it sees fit. A bigger risk is if they fold or are merged into another organisation, as is likely at some point in time, and the integrity of the new owner is not as it should be.
Another solution is for it to be placed in the public domain, free for all to use, but that then would allow anyone to use it in a manner that is offensive to First Nations people, which is also unfortunately inevitable.
So, what's the price that gets the job done without overly rewarding WAP and thus making the indigenous community feel like they've been truly had?
In 1983 our former President Alan Bond flew the boxing kangaroo flag on Australia II in the America's Cup. It was very popular, and a for a while it was even mentioned as an alternative in the Aussie flag debate.
The copyright was owned by Bond, and he licensed it for commercial purposes. He was probably the one promoting it as an Aussie flag.
Anyway, we lost the next America's Cup and support for the boxing kangaroo waned. Unlike the Indigenous flag right now, it was probably worth little in merchandising and Bond sold it to the AOC.
So yes, the Aboriginal flag could indeed be sold to an Indigenous organisation to commercialise as it sees fit. A bigger risk is if they fold or are merged into another organisation, as is likely at some point in time, and the integrity of the new owner is not as it should be.
Another solution is for it to be placed in the public domain, free for all to use, but that then would allow anyone to use it in a manner that is offensive to First Nations people, which is also unfortunately inevitable.
So, what's the price that gets the job done without overly rewarding WAP and thus making the indigenous community feel like they've been truly had?
Irrespective of their conduct, of course it is about the $'s. Why else would the buy the rights?
the noble savage certainly aint in my play book.
back to my original point, and then I'm done. because the dogs have picked up the scent.
I didnt say anyone was good. I didnt say anyone was racist.
and I said the white people restricting the use of the black flag, are *smile*.
its a pretty straightforward position. I cant see how it could be misunderstood?
I noticed in the club interview with the indigenous boys that Shai stated it would be good going “ down” to Darwin , you know your forms “flying” when you have to go down to Darwin 
Brilliant looking Jumper! So good these guys are given the opportunity to express themselves through art.
I see both sides of this - the copyright holder has licensed the copyright to a company that enforces copyright when people use the flag to make things that they want to sell for money. The copyright holder lets non-for-profit groups use it. Nothing really wrong with all that legally or ethically.
I also see the argument that the flag "belongs" to all indigenous Australians and as such should be public domain. But it's not, currently.
Some here make the argument that the copyright should be bought back by the government, or someone else. OK, but in order to buy something you have to have someone willing to sell. Maybe that could be negotiated, who knows.
As far as I can tell anyone can still fly the Aboriginal flag - the copyright only applies when you want to sell goods with the flag on it.
I also see the argument that the flag "belongs" to all indigenous Australians and as such should be public domain. But it's not, currently.
Some here make the argument that the copyright should be bought back by the government, or someone else. OK, but in order to buy something you have to have someone willing to sell. Maybe that could be negotiated, who knows.
As far as I can tell anyone can still fly the Aboriginal flag - the copyright only applies when you want to sell goods with the flag on it.
I like how we don't sook about changing our jumper when putting things in it to commemorate certain event's
Plus 2017 proved changing jumper dosent bend you over.
I really like when we wear the yellow jumper now.
I get all that and agree, It's just a shame that the designer couldn't have donated it to the indigenous community.
For example , I'm heavily involve in the melbourne music community, where art is shared due to common goals. It's such an iconic flag, I just wish it could be the property of the community in which it represents.
yeah I agree Kyuss. I'm a big fan of Cory Doctorow and Creative Commons, copyleft movements and all that.
You can argue ethically for sure G-Man, but ethics are in the eye of the beholder. Legally you don't have a leg to stand on though.
Looking at it from another angle, there's an opportunity to design a new and better Aboriginal flag and keep it free from commercial hassles.
It's pretty much a perfect flag, not sure anyone could design a better one.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
A better one? Good luck finding a worthy alternative let alone getting any consensus that it's as good as the current one.
Sure, but I was just replying to artball’s comment about the right holders having some soul
Yeah agree. I also thought it would be a good idea to design another flag, but it is just flawless. I would love it to be the national flag, but I think the indigenous community deserve a separate flag.
The black yellow and red, replacing the Union Jack on The Australian Flag,
would be cool looking, and an extraordinary step towards reconciliation IMO
having the Union Jack on our flag is downright absurd.
Anyone who has been to an ashes test, and watched Britannias finest singing 'god save YOURE gracious queen' while waving our flag knows this to be true.
