David Astbury, Thank You

[TOT70]

Actually, I think that Dimma has pulled the wrong rein on both Astbury and Post.

He seems to have projected Astbury's future as a key defender and Post as tall forward cum back up ruckman. I think it should be the othe way around. When Astbury found himself without a matchup after Waite left the field he ended up filling in spare parts roles between the arcs, when he was on the field, and showed good awareness, some level of genuine elusiveness and change of direction, good agility, good decision-making and a range of other abilities that one would like to see in a hit up forward or running ruckman/ruck-rover.

Post strikes me as someone who is better at reading the play when it is coming towards him than he is at creating options, hence I think he would make a strong CHB.

I don't mind them being played like this for a while to round out their games but eventually I would swap them around.

 

[lamb22]

Actually, I think that Dimma has pulled the wrong rein on both Astbury and Post.

He seems to have projected Astbury's future as a key defender and Post as tall forward cum back up ruckman. I think it should be the othe way around. When Astbury found himself without a matchup after Waite left the field he ended up filling in spare parts roles between the arcs, when he was on the field, and showed good awareness, some level of genuine elusiveness and change of direction, good agility, good decision-making and a range of other abilities that one would like to see in a hit up forward or running ruckman/ruck-rover.

Post strikes me as someone who is better at reading the play when it is coming towards him than he is at creating options, hence I think he would make a strong CHB.

I don't mind them being played like this for a while to round out their games but eventually I would swap them around.

Posty should be our ruckman now and hope that Vickery and Derrickx some on.

Astbury is a few years away from being a 'strong' tall but looks like the ideal swingman who can play forward or back.

Gus who had 17 hitouts at 6% advantage should have a spell.

Grimes our best hope for a key back - quick, smart and competitive. Moore and Thursty for experience to assist now - fingers crossed with Rance.

Luke to accompany Gus.

 

[mld]

I expect Astbury's marking will improve when he has the size to better compete man-on-man.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I expect Astbury's marking will improve when he has the size to better compete man-on-man.

Agree. Still has a lot of maturing to do.
Look at how much Jack's body work improved after 4 years compared with early on.
Astbury is very early into his career.

 

[Giardiasis]

Much prefer Astbury at CHB than Post. He is very good at problem solving, getting the ball moving in tight situations, which is vital in modern forward pressure football. Post probably doesn't have this ability.

As others have said Astbury needs to develop a bigger body and improvement should come in one-on-one body contact situations.

 

[Leysy Days]

Leysy's on the Astbury at CHB team as well Giardiasis.

He obviously isn't going to have that core strength yet which is the major thing letting him down. It will come, He's still a baby.

Post isn't agile enough, too poor below his knees & not a good enough around the ground kick to be a backman ILO.

 

[Collo]

After a few more seasons, Astbury will learn to use his body well. Give him a few more seasons and its somethign he will develop. He already has a promising build on him. Im very confident in Astbury. He may not show obvious improvement this year but I believe a year like this is invaluable. Just give him another 20 plus games. I would also play Batchelor across half back for 20 games as well this year (and conca).
I just think people shouldn't really expect huge improvement from our team overall untill 2013.
The reasons:
Batchelor, Conca, Martin, Astbury, Griffiths, Vickery and Taylor all will be prime for that year as their bodies would have a few pre seasons in them.
Hence, a higher level of play from Cotchin, Riewoldt, Houli, Grigg etc will be very exciting.

 

[Pomsta]

Wasn't at all happy with what I saw regarding Astbury's marking. His judgement of a mark was terrible. In most of the marking contests that he reached the ball hit his hands when he was on the way down instead of at the top of his leap. Each time he dropped the pill.

 

[Skills]

Looked lost in the backline against Carlton and the previous week at Optus Oval against Adelaide.
Move him up the ground to CHF!

 

[Phar Ace]

Looked lost in the backline against Carlton and the previous week at Optus Oval against Adelaide.
Move him up the ground to CHF!

He went forward late and seemed ineffective there too. Like Tigerbob said, and I've been saying adnausium he is a better, more natural forward. His tank is good enough for up forward, he appears more creative than disciplined and he's a better chance of getting clear in the forward line, body wise, than down back at CHB.

I hope Dimma's late switch with Astbury in our last game is the start of things to come.

 

[Sintiger]

He went forward late and seemed ineffective there too. Like Tigerbob said, and I've been saying adnausium he is a better, more natural forward. His tank is good enough for up forward, he appears more creative than disciplined and he's a better chance of getting clear in the forward line, body wise, than down back at CHB.

I hope Dimma's late switch with Astbury in our last game is the start of things to come.

He is a very young and underdeveloped KPP , we just have to accept that he will be out bodied from time to time. I think Dimma said the only reason he went forward on Thursday night was because Waite went off and there was no match up for Astbury .

We can't have it both ways i.e we can't call for development of young players by giving them exposure and then complain when they play like young players . He is 19 years old !!! He has shown enough for mine to perservere with and just take the good with the bad.

 

[Phar Ace]

He is a very young and underdeveloped KPP , we just have to accept that he will be out bodied from time to time. I think Dimma said the only reason he went forward on Thursday night was because Waite went off and there was no match up for Astbury .

We can't have it both ways i.e we can't call for development of young players by giving them exposure and then complain when they play like young players . He is 19 years old !!! He has shown enough for mine to perservere with and just take the good with the bad.

I get that, and yes we can try have it the best way. He was very, very good up forward last season. Am yet to see him look that comfortable down back. Why play a kid at CHB if he is easily outbodied, is what I've always been saying? Whereas, he can use all his displayed qualities to great benefit up forward, including his evasion, great lead to the ball and or space.

 

[Sintiger]

I get that, and yes we can try have it the best way. He was very, very good up forward last season. Am yet to see him look that comfortable down back. Why play a kid at CHB if he is easily outbodied, is what I've always been saying? Whereas, he can use all his displayed qualities to great benefit up forward, including his evasion, great lead to the ball and or space.

I wasn't really arguing against him going forward just that he will get outbodied to some degree wherever he plays and that we need to cut a young KPP some slack. Rightly or wrongly the Club seems to have decided that the key forwards will be Riewoldt and Griffiths , to me rightly . I believe that Astbury could develop into a genuine swingman , proficient forward and back . I don't have a problem with him playing forward now until Griffiths comes back . Right now our choices to replace him if he goes forward are Gourdis , Grimes and Thursfield with Moore injured.
I rate Grimes really highly but he is even more physically underdeveloped than Astbury.

 

[Phar Ace]

I wasn't really arguing against him going forward just that he will get outbodied to some degree wherever he plays and that we need to cut a young KPP some slack. Rightly or wrongly the Club seems to have decided that the key forwards will be Riewoldt and Griffiths , to me rightly . I believe that Astbury could develop into a genuine swingman , proficient forward and back . I don't have a problem with him playing forward now until Griffiths comes back . Right now our choices to replace him if he goes forward are Gourdis , Grimes and Thursfield with Moore injured.
I rate Grimes really highly but he is even more physically underdeveloped than Astbury.

Didn't think you were arguing against him being up forward Sinny, ur more objective than most, but there is quite a pack on here that the moment, who, after you say something constructively critical, they tar people as some kind of feral lepper for having an opinion that doesn't fit the pack's concensus.

As good as Astbury can become, would rather see McGuane / Thursty hold down the two key backs, for all their faults (with Moore to return), than see a young and developing player like Astbury put in a position he clearly (for me at least) struggles with. Having played forward and back in both positions, he is clearly more suited to one.

Am yet to see Grimes, but the pack seems to rate him, as do you, and if he's 75% of his brother, that'll be an upgrade on the three aforementioned.

If someone knows where Gourdis is at, I'd really like to know as he looked lively and hopeful down back last year.

 

[Sintiger]

Didn't think you were arguing against him being up forward Sinny, ur more objective than most, but there is quite a pack on here that the moment, who, after you say something constructively critical, they tar people as some kind of feral lepper for having an opinion that doesn't fit the pack's concensus.

As good as Astbury can become, would rather see McGuane / Thursty hold down the two key backs, for all their faults (with Moore to return), than see a young and developing player like Astbury put in a position he clearly (for me at least) struggles with. Having played forward and back in both positions, he is clearly more suited to one.

Am yet to see Grimes, but the pack seems to rate him, as do you, and if he's 75% of his brother, that'll be an upgrade on the three aforementioned.

If someone knows where Gourdis is at, I'd really like to know as he looked lively and hopeful down back last year.

Its a really tough one , not sure what the answer is . One argument says develop the young players whatever , the other is wait until they are ready. Consider next week . Do we play him on N Riewoldt ? If he does well it could be the making of him but the risk is that we turn him into Zac Dawson ( when Clarkson played him on Rocca) and put his development back because he is taken to the cleaners by a genuine superstar.
I have seen Grimes probably 5 times , 4 of them at Coburg. He is a real future talent imo but he is physically not ready. perhaps he could play the 3rd tall back role but thats it. Gourdis to me is 50/50 at best . Got all the tools but just doesn't seem to be coming on . My guess is that next week Dimma will play Astbury down back again but not on Riewoldt . we'll see. It also depends on how strong mentally he is , Dawson was by all reports a bit fragile mentally.

 

[GEDS1]

David will make it one day but tonight along with previous 3 weeks was very bad, very bad.

He seems to have little confidence and a run at Coburg could be in order. His ball handling and marking was terrible.

As for Grimes....he goes alright !

The backline at one stage had Batch, Astbury, Grimes & Conca gee that's inexperience.

 

[Joe Lynn Turnip]

Will be a good player in the long run. Not worried. Having and touch of 2nd year blues atm. Far more concerned about players having 5th year blues to follow on from their 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th year blues.

 

[dimmauchump]

How can you justify giving Astbury games but not Gourdis?? Atleast Gourdis has some speed and size!!

Very dissapointed so far with Astbury. Needs to go back fwd or we could be stuck with another dud.

 

[jb03]

Can spoil but has been disappointing when attacking and seems to have lost his sticky fingers - can't take an overhead mark to save himself.

 

[evo]

Can spoil but has been disappointing when attacking and seems to have lost his sticky fingers - can't take an overhead mark to save himself.

yeah, 2nd year blues it seems. Very disapointing.

On the bright side Grimey did pretty well.