Damien Hardwick

[tigers80]

Oh definitely that, too. I also wonder how involved Balme is these days, and that’s another area that Dimma definitely benefited from assistance in.

He was sitting in the press conference last night.

 

[Punt n Brunton]

We went into the season with all our eggs in the Lynch basket up forward. We knew Riewoldt was going to be a bit part player and likely unavailable for many games. So my question is, what was practiced as Plan B up forward IF Lynch was unavailable? It appears nothing. Dimma (and our forwards coach) have been bereft of ideas and we are now just making it up each week with different combinations of players. But it keeps coming back to the one and only game plan we have. Bomb it inside 50 with no system or structure and hope that chaos wins. Playing Pickett as a key forward, hoping he can bring the ball to ground just proves that this remains the ONLY strategy. I bet Pickett didn't play up forward in the pre-season.

The thing this also then promotes, is lack of offensive running. When you watch a game live, you can notice we don't have players running hard offensively to create space and options for each other. They stand around and wait for the ball to be bombed in.

 

[theglove3]

Beavis may need to change his ethos, mantra, playbook, philosophy, whatever.

Dominated the inside 50's especially early for no result.
(By the end mind you the inside 50's were just about equal.)
Just so wasteful.
Then u see the Dopers run it out the length of the field and hit their guys on the tit.
Need a better system that actually puts goals on the board.
Must be demoralizing to dominate long periods (or "certain stages" to quote the guru himself) for naught.
Maybe he is using the wrong guys to execute the plan.

This style of play also annoys me when we win.
It revolves around chance/good fortune a lot of the time.
Gotta player smarter now.

I think the days of Chaos bombing are Done and Dusted.

 

[TigerForce]

Beavis may need to change his ethos, mantra, playbook, philosophy, whatever.

Dominated the inside 50's especially early for no result.
(By the end mind you the inside 50's were just about equal.)
Just so wasteful.
Then u see the Dopers run it out the length of the field and hit their guys on the tit.
Need a better system that actually puts goals on the board.
Must be demoralizing to dominate long periods (or "certain stages" to quote the guru himself) for naught.
Maybe he is using the wrong guys to execute the plan.

This style of play also annoys me when we win.
It revolves around chance/good fortune a lot of the time.
Gotta player smarter now.

I think the days of Chaos bombing are Done and Dusted.

Agree, it was done and dusted 2 years ago.

 

[Dev Tiger]

It's not Dimma that's the problem. It's the recruiting and devolpment as well as strength and conditioning that isn't up to scratch. We must address these issues ASAP.

 

[eZyT]

That's a factor, no doubt, but there is a mindset of keep the ball in, slow it, keep possession, don't make it a fifty/fifty etc, team instructions on how to play in that situation - consider Jack's non handball to Cotch, his toepoke, both the wrong decisions. Age should make you wiser not dumber.

I'd expect we've been drilled in how to protect a small lead, and you'll still lose some of these games... i don't expect 100%. but to lose every single game that finished by less than one goal for two years... that stinks.

But a young fit fast side at the height of its powers,

someone runs to receive

the toepoke to noone.

I get the angst and the tendency of us to find meaning and someone to blame; im the same,

But i think its like newtons said

What goes up must come down.

Like i said winning no close games out of 12 is a 4000-1 chance of being bad luck.

Dimma would have to bear some responsibility for playing old injured blokes,

But im not blaming him.

Im blaming time, the draft system, and Hocking

 

[eZyT]

Only the players know if they're willing to continue to pay the price and achieve at the highest level, especially the older ones.

Your missing my point entirely.

The older blokes dont have the price.

Theyre broke. They spent everything on 3 flags in 4 years

 

[RoarEmotion]

Like i said winning no close games out of 12 is a 4000-1 chance of being bad luck.

We’ve definitely had the bad luck bits. Maybe one third to a half of them. (Ball bounce / arc / free kick etc ). Rest have had just mega brain fades by a wide variety of team. Plus some games that shouldn’t have been close at all - including last night.

 

[eZyT]

We’ve definitely had the bad luck bits. Maybe one third to a half of them. (Ball bounce / arc / free kick etc ). Rest have had just mega brain fades by a wide variety of team. Plus some games that shouldn’t have been close at all - including last night.

Your talking multivariate analysis.

My stats dont extend beyond Dogs Balls Obvious.

 

[jb03]

We’ve definitely had the bad luck bits. Maybe one third to a half of them. (Ball bounce / arc / free kick etc ). Rest have had just mega brain fades by a wide variety of team. Plus some games that shouldn’t have been close at all - including last night.

What was the last game that we did win by less than a goal?

 

[tigersnake]

What was the last game that we did win by less than a goal?

prelim 2020?

 

[Tigers2011]

Your missing my point entirely.

The older blokes dont have the price.

Theyre broke. They spent everything on 3 flags in 4 years

I disagree. Apart from Jack & Cotch whose bodies won’t consistently let them do what they once could, the others could all well do it again. Why play on if you don’t want to achieve. I think we’ll agree to disagree and move on

 

[eZyT]

I disagree. Apart from Jack & Cotch whose bodies won’t consistently let them do what they once could, the others could all well do it again. Why play on if you don’t want to achieve. I think we’ll agree to disagree and move on

Fair enough.

I reckon jack cotchy dusty dion nank grimes and vlastuin

Are all feeling significant effects of 6-7 years of the highest of high intensity

Its not a matter of want, its cant, imo.

And the wont be the last set of 30 year old blokes,

Whose limbs disobey their hearts and minds

 

[tigersnake]

i could accept Dimma is still a great coach and it's all down to the cattle - except that would mean we would lose consistently by 30 points plus.

If you lose 12 games in two seasons by less than a goal AND DON'T WIN ANY close games - that's coaching.

Not necessarily.

We may have been close in a lot of games we wouldn't have been with a lesser coach at the helm. And even if your premise was solid, it doesn't necessarily follow that it must be coaching. I don't have the answer, but making the point that your logic isn't watertight.

 

[BillyJean17]

We went into the season with all our eggs in the Lynch basket up forward. We knew Riewoldt was going to be a bit part player and likely unavailable for many games. So my question is, what was practiced as Plan B up forward IF Lynch was unavailable? It appears nothing. Dimma (and our forwards coach) have been bereft of ideas and we are now just making it up each week with different combinations of players. But it keeps coming back to the one and only game plan we have. Bomb it inside 50 with no system or structure and hope that chaos wins. Playing Pickett as a key forward, hoping he can bring the ball to ground just proves that this remains the ONLY strategy. I bet Pickett didn't play up forward in the pre-season.

The thing this also then promotes, is lack of offensive running. When you watch a game live, you can notice we don't have players running hard offensively to create space and options for each other. They stand around and wait for the ball to be bombed in.

We ve tried combos like Pickett or cotch at ff laughable , all the while , oppo intercept the hell out of us , get some bloody talls down there

 

[Tigers2011]

Fair enough.

I reckon jack cotchy dusty dion nank grimes and vlastuin

Are all feeling significant effects of 6-7 years of the highest of high intensity

Its not a matter of want, its cant, imo.

And the wont be the last set of 30 year old blokes,

Whose limbs disobey their hearts and minds

I think everyone’s body ages differently (don’t I know that ) including footballers. Look at Pendlebury & Sidebottom at Collingwood - over 30 but still going well. Just depends on the individual.

Anyway if a 30+ player chooses to continue then it’s up to them to contribute, be motivated etc. I suspect Dusty will progress ok for the next few years as he appears driven plus his body (touch wood) seems intact. Other players aren’t so lucky.

 

[Carter]

Much of our premiership team remains. But the cream is older, slower, more content.

A lot of talk on here about losing to “inferior” sides.

The inconvenient truth before us is simply that we’re not very good anymore.

I would actually say that Dimma’s tactical system is working well just to have us so consistent, so competitive in the vast majority of games.

The players forward of the ball can’t execute at the moment. We lack mobility and presence in key attacking positions.

Our number one ruck is playing on fumes. Our kids aren’t quite ready.

Dimma is coaching as well as ever IMO.

 

[AngryAnt]

Not necessarily.

We may have been close in a lot of games we wouldn't have been with a lesser coach at the helm. And even if your premise was solid, it doesn't necessarily follow that it must be coaching. I don't have the answer, but making the point that your logic isn't watertight.

my logic is doubtless leaky AF, but to lose 12/13? That comes down to bad decisions by players and bad tactics by coaches.

 

[Tigers of Old]

A reminder..there was an unprecedented assault by the Australian Football League on Damien Hardwick's gameplan.

The Hardwick Rules.

 

[taztiger4]

What was the last game that we did win by less than a goal?

2021, Rd 9 v GWS @ Shitihad, won by 4 pts