we get smashed on centre clearances theres nothing stopping our mids trying to read opposition ruck taps it seems their positioning is very off at centre bounces
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Damien Hardwick
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Can't believe how naive we are at this. I see other teams, even the Swans last night, do it easily.
Lol the very things you are hoping the club will do to move forward are exactly the tough calls being suggested on these threads
Your faux outrage is funny
Your faux intellectual approach moreso.
Boiled lollies masquerading as up-market Allen's party mix.
Carter, the Richmond Saviour. Spare me.
Never once claimed it
Just sayin’ that your faux outrage serves no purpose.
If you think we’re all going feral, you can bet there are some serious conversations happening down at Punt Rd.
The board, and their executive arm in Benny Gale, will want to know what the long term planning looks like for the on-field component of the business.
Hardwick’s future will of course be a changing conversation despite your objections.
See this is where, once again, you're wrong. There's no outrage.
I find most of this stuff laughable. The gnashing teeth and wringing of hands here, as you suggest above, isn't going to change a damn thing.
The bit I'm misaligned on with you, is that any of this being a surprise to the club. It'd be a complete farce of a club if you don't think that they'd have discussed what they're hoping to do Vs the risk involved. They don't ask for a vision a quarter of the way into a season.
Just three weeks ago, the new President said he didn't want to be a club that bottomed out and rebuilt from ground zero. He thought Richmond, with its big name and drawing power, can stay competitive. The risk of course is, being we may get trapped in the North Melbourne zone. Finishing 6-12 and never genuinely competing for a flag or it just flat out failing.
The board will sack a coach, of course, rather than blame itself. But we're at round 5. It's not time for lifeboats yet.
We no longer have cutting edge assistant coaches, and we are seeing possibly how big an influence Fly and Leppa had on this group, with how the scum are playing now. Rutten and Teague both had their sides playing pathetic uninspiring football, and Mcqualter and Clarke, without knowing much about them, don’t strike me as elite.
Our recruitment has also been questionable, although we haven’t had high end picks, so difficult to judge.
Dimma has a challenge on his hands. And he may not have the elite minds around him to help like previously. Interesting times ahead. If we finish bottom 4 or 6, I wonder what that’ll mean for many players and coaches at year end
Our recruitment has also been questionable, although we haven’t had high end picks, so difficult to judge.
Dimma has a challenge on his hands. And he may not have the elite minds around him to help like previously. Interesting times ahead. If we finish bottom 4 or 6, I wonder what that’ll mean for many players and coaches at year end
I admire the positivity and rose coloured glasses vision of some that it will be alright, but the cold hard reality is that football whether you like it or not is a business these days. Businesses are open to criticism and challenge when the results are not going well. We as members are like shareholders to this business. Some rhetoric is way over the top but I for one do not see any issue in having rational constructive debates regarding how the business is going. When the business continues to deliver the same results, in our case skill errors/decision making/brain fades/clearances/arrogance/etc, it is incumbent on the Admin and Board to make changes. Whether that be the coaches, the support staff, the recruiting the admin, the finances available etc.. The views expressed by some are a consequence of not seeing any improvement in this area. The same lines are trotted out - we believe in our system, we believe in our structures. The empirical evidence to date would not support that. We appear to have regressed in all on field aspects (yes injuries have taken their toll), but there should not be such a chasm between us and other teams on the basics.
All the stuff you described in your post is stuff happening between the ears of a lot of our players at the moment.
Good coaching, that is up to the task, will (and must) change that mind-set.
wrong. giving up this year's first rounder was a clear indication of the plan for 2023. challenge.
with every ladder position we fall, that draft pick looms large as a major management blunder.
yes, there would have been a Plan B, but i guarantee you Benny Gale would now be keen on thrashing out the finer details of that plan.
as for Dimma, we all know how this goes. he would've gone into this year focusing on getting us into the top four.
he can make all the assurances in the world about committing to a "transition phase", but until one is faced with what that actually looks like, it is difficult to truly commit.
the conversation around Dimma will be an evolving one as 2023 unfolds.
I think there are some Deluded people on this site.
We have an emerging Elite defender in Tylar Young that will change our Backline into a Powerful Force when it settles.
We have a boatload of injuries. We have the cattle and we have the coach. If you think getting rid of a multiple Premiership winning Coach is the answer. How is Hawthorn Looking?
Its the Old Richmond way that led to 37 years of oblivion. Sack the Coach!! Some people have very short memories.
I am not a Hardwick fan...but I respect him immensely for what he has achieved.
We have an emerging Elite defender in Tylar Young that will change our Backline into a Powerful Force when it settles.
We have a boatload of injuries. We have the cattle and we have the coach. If you think getting rid of a multiple Premiership winning Coach is the answer. How is Hawthorn Looking?
Its the Old Richmond way that led to 37 years of oblivion. Sack the Coach!! Some people have very short memories.
I am not a Hardwick fan...but I respect him immensely for what he has achieved.
Needs to find a way back to his happy team that enjoyed their footy. Dimma and the players don’t seem to be in a happy place and it’s building pressure.
Not surprisingly winning teams are happy teams...but yes it looks like a 2016-17 offseason reset is required again.
Hard to disagree TT2.
But, there are a few cultural things lacking and Hardwick clearly needs help of a different kind. We need to find the next Craig McCrae Justin Leppisch combination and fast.
It is true that Hardwick's jovial demeanour before a game now looks forced.
Jackmond seems to be playing a lone hand at times when our culture is in question.
Two years ago I was stunned that he was not made Captain. Like Cotchy he oozes class and leadership.
Geez, the knives are out quick aren't they? Some of the posters here could ghost write for Kane Cornes, just fly off at the handle over what has happened in the last 48 hours, wait 48 more hours and reload to do it again.
Yes, the team is struggling and there are clear problems. But the distance between playing well and playing badly is very close, we've seen that a number of times this year. Produced some great patches of football but not enough consistency. I don't think anyone here is under any illusion that we are travelling well, but we are not bottoming out either.
I'm sure that there were plenty of trolls on places like Big Footy who expected Dimma to blame injuries or some other factors for our loss last night. He didn't, he was honest, we didn't play well enough and had too many brain fades. Still, I suppose a loss like last night will be feed for trolls who just like to put the knife into Dimma and the Richmond Football Club. Their sad existence does not interest me at all.
But I do have a question for all those sharpening the knives - what is your solution? We have a lot of injuries, and that does have an impact. We are clearly rebuilding after a period of success and we have had mediocre draft picks which is a problem you get when you have success. We had a glaring issue last year in clearances and we have tried to address that, so we are being pro-active. Do people want us to bottom out, do they want us to try and rebuild on the run? What do you want?
I reckon we can rebuild but we all knew it would be hard with so many greats coming to the end of their careers. The expectation that we can somehow easily replace players who we have lauded as some of the best of their generation, if not of all time in some cases, is just fantasy land. We have some good youth, and, no doubt, some young players who won't make the grade. We have issues and need to have a good look at the game plan in the context of the players we have and the changes to the game, not to mention why the game plan appears to be just not happening. Maybe the game plan is good, I'm not seeing much evidence of a plan being implemented so execution is just as much of an issue as the overall strategy.
I am old enough to remember the way we lost Hafey after 4 flags, had one last hurrah in 1980, then fell to pieces after 1982. It wasn't pretty and we cannot go down that road again. Sober evaluation of the issues, a medium term plan to honestly look at where we are falling short is the way forward. We don't need to bottom out but we do need to look at how we can get back to being competitive.
DS
Yes, the team is struggling and there are clear problems. But the distance between playing well and playing badly is very close, we've seen that a number of times this year. Produced some great patches of football but not enough consistency. I don't think anyone here is under any illusion that we are travelling well, but we are not bottoming out either.
I'm sure that there were plenty of trolls on places like Big Footy who expected Dimma to blame injuries or some other factors for our loss last night. He didn't, he was honest, we didn't play well enough and had too many brain fades. Still, I suppose a loss like last night will be feed for trolls who just like to put the knife into Dimma and the Richmond Football Club. Their sad existence does not interest me at all.
But I do have a question for all those sharpening the knives - what is your solution? We have a lot of injuries, and that does have an impact. We are clearly rebuilding after a period of success and we have had mediocre draft picks which is a problem you get when you have success. We had a glaring issue last year in clearances and we have tried to address that, so we are being pro-active. Do people want us to bottom out, do they want us to try and rebuild on the run? What do you want?
I reckon we can rebuild but we all knew it would be hard with so many greats coming to the end of their careers. The expectation that we can somehow easily replace players who we have lauded as some of the best of their generation, if not of all time in some cases, is just fantasy land. We have some good youth, and, no doubt, some young players who won't make the grade. We have issues and need to have a good look at the game plan in the context of the players we have and the changes to the game, not to mention why the game plan appears to be just not happening. Maybe the game plan is good, I'm not seeing much evidence of a plan being implemented so execution is just as much of an issue as the overall strategy.
I am old enough to remember the way we lost Hafey after 4 flags, had one last hurrah in 1980, then fell to pieces after 1982. It wasn't pretty and we cannot go down that road again. Sober evaluation of the issues, a medium term plan to honestly look at where we are falling short is the way forward. We don't need to bottom out but we do need to look at how we can get back to being competitive.
DS
The reality is that with 18 teams there will be several mediocre players drafted by each team. We struck gold with recruiting and drafting to create our golden years. Getting back from where we are now means we can't afford to make big long-term mistakes.
I fear we have made a few shockers. Have we sold our 5 year future by our obvious desperate shot at 2023?
It looked good on paper, so no one is to blame. It was our strategy, but we always needed a massive dose of luck for it to work.
Yes losing Hafey in 1976,then having him join the Pies in 77 taking them from last to grand finalists that year really hurt.
I agree David. However, our problems post the Hafey departure debacle and subsequent head scratching decisions post 1982 were as a result of instability and out of control egos at boardroom level (ergo, GR). I still maintain that we have the most professional, selfless and stable off field set up that continues to be the envy of the competition and a blueprint to follow. We’re in a great place to reset for future success
