There is no heavy training load. If anything we are under training now to try and avoid soft tissue injuires.
Its a lack of leadership and interest from both coaches and players thats the problem
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Its a lack of leadership and interest from both coaches and players thats the problem
People don't want to talk about the players lack of interest e.g. the abysmal pressure ratings. It's training loads, 666 etc etc. that they want to use as excuses. 666 is the funniest one I've read yet. We won 2 premierships dealing with 666.
Yeh, the challenge of motivation must be posed. Especially for the senior players that have 3 flags - ultimately they are the ones most responsible for our losses. How many now have kids? Other aspects of their lives slowly taking priority?
The sacrifice to play elite footballk is huge, maybe they've already paid the price and aren't willing to cough up anymore? Where was the application to stop Zuurhar kicking that last goal?
You've seen it all year Miles. Right from the very first game v Carlton. I knew in the 1st quarter of that game we'd be in trouble because of the average pressure we were applying. And throughout the year its waxed and waned.
When we bring it...we are still one of the hardest teams in the league to beat. When we don't, we're a walkover because our poor skill levels and turnovers mean that we can't just do it on the "bit." I think I saw somewhere a few weeks ago that our average pressure rating this year is miles off what it was in our premiership years. I'd have to check but it wouldn't surprise me.
No pressure = no Richmond.
Spot on Rednuts. Our whole game plan relies on manic pressure on the opposition coming out of our forward line. This enables our zone off defense to intercept.
Without the pressure we are easier to score against than a street walker in Kings Cross during its hey day.
As Brodders says, fatigue can absolutely be a factor in poor decision-making. And as 123, myself and others observed, players looked tired. Hence they didn't run to receive, or to pressure. And having heavy legs definitely affects your kicking. How was our kicking on the weekend? Was it the worst for the year by a long way? The group having heavy legs is a much more logical explanation than 'they didn't try' or 'they were stupid' or 'we played defenders in the forward line' or 'Dimma's a philanderer' or whatever else people are attributing the performance to.
Or they do extra conditioning work elsewhere than on PRO?
What if we turn things around this week without Lynch and Dusty?
rubbish.
most, if not all finals-bound clubs, do it in some form.
I am prepared to concede that teams with high injury counts may find it counter productive, but as Leysy points out, our injury list is manageable.
again, the club came out of 2018 literally saying we were up and about too early in the season and needed to prime ourselves better.
Chris Scott recently said Geelong were doing it and that it's no secret that most clubs do.
And when he did, everyone on PRE bagged the living daylights out of him. Now its our excuse. Selective to say the least.
And in any case, Geelong kept winning. We haven't.
yep. the mental gymnastics on here are extraordinary.
how about we stop blaming 1) Dimma's sudden lack of ability 2) players' sudden profound stupidity and 3) players' sudden profound lack of interest
and look at empirical data with a healthy dash of common sense?
1) we are clearly struggling through the ruck and midfield
2) our system (which depends on midfield scrap but only to a point) is holding up but we look a little lead-footed, which aligns with the heavy load theory. give the oppo just a little sniff and you see what happens
we didn't expect to lose to North, no doubt about it. some complacency? perhaps.
but I expect an absolute firecracker effort against Freo and believe it will happen.
if the heavy load theory holds true, then this week might well be a 'ease off the whip' week as we settle into the home straight.
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Scott also said that it's not a radical proposition.
RFC been talking about it since 2019.
believe it - variable training loads are so clearly, so obviously a thing that dismissing it is akin to being a flat-earther
clearly impossible to acquire, but to believe variable loads simply do not happen is rather naive
and more than a little stupid
Of course they happen. But you said people weren't applying common sense and needed to apply empirical data and then threw up "training loads" as an excuse.
Where is your common sense empirical data then to support your training loads theory please. Or...... is it just a theory like everyone else's ?
"of course they happen"
then
"it is an excuse"
which is it then?
spook threw up a viable theory - yes, a theory - that I believe holds weight. the empirical evidence I was referring to is around clearance numbers, stoppages, the midfield/ruck. go read the post again.
you believe the earth is flat.
the end
Where’s our training guru, @caesar maybe he can shed some light on the subject?
Unless he’s been peeking through the wrong fence
You said it yourself you have no idea or evidence of training loads. You're making stuff up.
Training loads vary. For EVERY team. EVERY year. Since day dot. How, therefore can you use it as a definitive excuse and be critical of any other non common sense theory because it doesn't have some sort of "empirical" basis when:
a) You have no "empirical" data yourself to suggest that we've been going through a heavy load and:
b) other teams (e.g. Geelong) keep winning when they have actually confirmed that they are going through one ?
How do you know we're not going through a light training load ? You have no idea one way or the other.
Empirical data.....yeah. There's more empirical data and common sense to support the lack of pressure we're bringing than there is around training loads.
