Nah, the more I read of your replies here the more I think ‘this guy doesn’t actually know’
Slightly embarrassing but I’ll just back away slowly.
Consider yourself educated my good man.
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Nah, the more I read of your replies here the more I think ‘this guy doesn’t actually know’
Slightly embarrassing but I’ll just back away slowly.
Consider yourself educated my good man.
On an "empirical" and "common sense" and tangible basis (as opposed to flimsy training loads that we may or may not be going through), as somebody else pointed out, we don't actually go that bad in terms of centre clearances. Ranked 2nd in the league for centre clearances. Last for stoppage clearances though.
On the pressure front, I cant locate the pressure indexes I saw a few weeks ago, but if for nothing else Dimma's comment last week around our abysmal 1.6 rating indicates its a problem, or at least was in that game. Otherwise, on an "empirical" basis we are 9th for pressure acts and last for tackles. 15th for tackles inside our fwd 50. 2nd for 1%'ers. 6th for spoils.
Our pressure rating would no doubt have dropped in part because of the players we left out of the squad in Castagna & Jnr. Even Aarts to an extent.
Not saying that they should have played but I'm not sure the players that replaced them bring some of the hard running defensive traits they do.
Not saying that they should have played but I'm not sure the players that replaced them bring some of the hard running defensive traits they do.
Yeah, but when you look at the season-long numbers with those guys playing, its still on the low side ToO.
Carthorse says one thing on Friday and the opposite on Monday - then forbids everyone from commenting on it.
Oh damn he's got me on ignore again
No doubt but it was still clearly an anomaly for Hardwick to make mention of it.
Says Duz and Lynch back for the Paddle Pops at the G next week.
Spoke to the flogs on Nank's treatment. Did they understand?
No bottoming out.
Spoke to the flogs on Nank's treatment. Did they understand?
No bottoming out.
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Interesting quote from Dimma at today's press conference. From R1-16 we were #1 in the comp for goal kicking accuracy. Last two weeks? 16th.
I might be misremembering, but pretty sure in at least one of our flag years (2019?) our pressure rating was down for the majority of the year. Of course, we could get away with it because we were so good.
Our intercept strategy probably impacts to be fair, but I'm pretty sure in most big games that we've won including the 2019 finals, it gets sky-high i.e. 1.9 and above and going well into the 2's on occasion.
When we have a decent pressure index, it seems we almost never lose.
Leysy's view: Blaming training loads or 666 or even pressure is not the reason.
The first half of the North game was the first we haven't brought pressure for ages. Dunno how to bring up the exact stats now, but all the footy shows were detailing how over the past couple of months (since post Melbourne game) we are ranked Number 1 for pressure and Number 1 for forward half turnovers. We switched our form on the back of it.
We dropped two of our better pressure players and went into the game not switched on last week. It hasn't been an ongoing problem. In fact the opposite.
ILO the reasons why we've started dropping games are the more clearer one's before our eyes and in equal parts:
- Structural (rucks/mids/defenders beaten at stoppage)
- Discipline: 50 mtr penalties, free kicks, lairising in front of goal
- Panic in close games
- And simply poor finishing
We can fix the final three if we want to. The first one is part coaching, part leadership, part personell.
I have seen those stats and to be honest I can't work out the centre clearance stats at all. We seem to lose a string of centre clearances when we are giving up a lead (or giving up a lead by losing centre clearances, bit chicken and egg really), but we are not bad for centre clearances overall. Maybe it is the quality of our centre clearances because the opposition seem to be able to sustain periods of dominance in the middle and very effective spreading and delivery into their forward lines against us - see Rd 1 against Carlton and also GC. I reckon we would need more detailed analysis of centre clearances to really know.
The stoppage clearances are clearly not good on any measure.
But it is also the positioning when there is a marking contest, our players just seem to be where the ball isn't. We spoil marks in defence and at the fall of the ball no Richmond players. I also noticed a number of times last week when there was a contested ball in defence we had no-one near the goal line to spoil any hurried attempts by North to kick a goal and we often have maybe 1, or even no, players between the contest and the opposition goal.
Just not sure where our players are trying to be near contests for the ball and why.
DS
Yeah, no doubt. We turned it up big time in September. It's a question of whether we have the personnel to do it again. We need MoJu to get a kick so we can pick him.
Raw centre clearance numbers only tell part of the story. I imagine our centre clearances that result in deep, well-targeted entries are significantly lower than our opponents'. A lot of our centre clearances are hurried hack kicks that barely reach the 50.
2021 - Choked against West C when comfortably in the eight and rolled over for the rest of the year
2022 - Choked against Sydney and Geesook when comfortably in the eight and we've rolled over from there.
Its nothing to do with training loads its arrogance, lack of fight and poor leadership that's the issue.
Training loads are the most *smile* weak excuse for what's happening at the moment that I've ever heard.
2022 - Choked against Sydney and Geesook when comfortably in the eight and we've rolled over from there.
Its nothing to do with training loads its arrogance, lack of fight and poor leadership that's the issue.
Training loads are the most *smile* weak excuse for what's happening at the moment that I've ever heard.
i reckon there was a stat a few weeks ago that had us pretty high on scoring from centre bounces.
it is hard to know whether we judge ourselves more harshly in this case- we remember when we are scored against, but not so much when we score, or whether the scores from are misleading- whether we turn the ball over more from shallow entries while our opponents get it deeper for a stoppage more often when they dont score.
we still concede stoppage clearances around the ground, by leaving an extra back, and it often works, but when our pressure is down we are too easy to work through, even if we outnumber behind the ball.
Spot on.
The club is struggling to put things behind them and move on.
Freo's form at the testy dome this year compared to the crap we have dished up against Stkilda and last week.
I'm expecting us to go out of the 8 over the weekend and not return.
I tottally agree with you the loss to WC last year broke us and the 17 points up against Geelong and still losing has finally snapped us in half.
If Yeo stayed on the Ground, we might’ve even dropped that game too.
Blame Edwards & Riewoldt for taking the *smile* in the Last 2 weeks
Lack of raw defensive midfield speed when Cotch, Dion and Edwards are in there.
Graham can build speed but is slow off the mark.
Agree both Edwards and Riewoldt need to go. They are liabilities and taking up a spot that could go to a player we are trying to develop. What's the point playing the old guys when we can't beat gold coke and #lolnorf.
