Damien Hardwick

[Carter]

You said it yourself you have no idea or evidence of training loads. You're making stuff up.

idiotic post.

variable training loads are commonplace in the AFL.

jack riewoldt has commented extensively on their benefit. go look it up.

 

[Carter]

Training loads vary. For EVERY team. EVERY year. Since day dot. How, therefore can you use it as a definitive excuse and be critical of any other theory that doesn't have some sort of "empirical" basis when:

a) You have no "empirical" data yourself to suggest that we've been going through a heavy load and:
b) other teams (e.g. Geelong) keep winning when they have actually confirmed that they are going through one ?

How do you know we're not going through a light training load ? You have no idea one way or the other.

Empirical data.....yeah. There's more empirical data to support the lack of pressure we're bringing than there is around training loads.

i literally just said my reference to empirical data was around the midfield's performance in 2022. not training loads.

regardless I am certain variable loads are commonplace.

why? primarily because they make sense.

but if that isn't enough the duller types on here, including you, Jack Riewoldt told us more than once.

 

[Carter]

from the AIS

Training load in relation to loading and unloading phases of training

The Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) mission is to lead and enable a united high performance (HP) system that supports Australian athletes/teams to achieve podium success.

www.ais.gov.au

 

[Tigers of Old]

i literally just said my reference to empirical data was around the midfield's performance in 2022. not training loads.

regardless I am certain variable loads are commonplace.

why? primarily because they make sense.

but if that isn't enough the duller types on here, including you, Jack Riewoldt told us more than once.

Idiotic? You're so rude.
I'm not saying they don't happen Carter. I'm saying there is no actual evidence it is happening right now AND that's the reason we lost.

 

[Carter]

but by all means carry on, dear Redford and Tooheys 2.0, swimming in your tepid sea of ignorance

 

[Redford]

i literally just said my reference to empirical data was around the midfield's performance in 2022. not training loads.

regardless I am certain variable loads are commonplace.

why? primarily because they make sense.

but if that isn't enough the duller types on here, including you, Jack Riewoldt told us more than once.

I don't recall Jack Riewoldt ever using "training loads" as an excuse for losing games after being 40 points up in the 3rd quarter or against team's that are last on the ladder. But hey, you never know, Geelong and others might just be lucky. Without the empirical data we'll never know though I guess.

 

[Tigers of Old]

but by all means carry on, dear Redford and Tooheys 2.0, swimming in your tepid sea of ignorance

When you start throwing insults you've lost the argument.

 

[Carter]

Idiotic? You're so rude.
I'm not saying they don't happen Carter. I'm saying there is no actual evidence it is happening right now AND that's the reason we lost.

I never said there was evidence - I was referring to our midfield woes.

but I believe Spook's theory is compelling because I also know training loads are used by the club.

how?

because they told us. (I believe the most recent occurrence was Jack Riewoldt in the Herald Sun earlier this year).

 

[Carter]

When you start throwing insults you've lost the argument.

I don't give a stuff about winning an argument - I am merely educating the unwashed.

remember, you are the one who came in swinging. I did not instigate anything. I rarely do, in fact.

 

[Carter]

I don't recall Jack Riewoldt ever using "training loads" as an excuse for losing games

i am at a loss as to how this is remotely relevant. he has talked about 2018 quite extensively.

it's ok, as a flat-earther I am unlikely to convince you. which is fine

 

[Redford]

i am at a loss as to how this is remotely relevant. he has talked about 2018 quite extensively.

it's ok, as a flat-earther I am unlikely to convince you. which is fine

He talked about peaking too early. But what did he say in specific reference to training loads and that specifically causing us to lose ?

Do you have the quotes and the common sense empirical data around that ?

 

[Carter]

He talked about peaking too early. But what did he say in specific reference to training loads and that specifically causing us to lose ?

Do you have the quotes and the common sense empirical data around that ?

on what planet is "peaking too early" and "training loads" not connected?

are you serious with this pile of *smile*?

 

[King Kong]

yep. the mental gymnastics on here are extraordinary.

how about we stop blaming 1) Dimma's sudden lack of ability 2) players' sudden profound stupidity and 3) players' sudden profound lack of interest

and look at empirical data with a healthy dash of common sense?

1) we are clearly struggling through the ruck and midfield

2) our system (which depends on midfield scrap but only to a point) is holding up but we look a little lead-footed, which aligns with the heavy load theory. give the oppo just a little sniff and you see what happens

we didn't expect to lose to North, no doubt about it. some complacency? perhaps.

but I expect an absolute firecracker effort against Freo and believe it will happen.

if the heavy load theory holds true, then this week might well be a 'ease off the whip' week as we settle into the home straight.

No offence Carter but the only heavy load at the moment is the amount of BS in this post

 

[Redford]

on what planet is "peaking too early" and "training loads" not connected?

are you serious with this pile of *smile*?

So, we peaked too early - lets say 3/4 mark of the year or whenever - but then we fell away weeks and weeks later in the finals and Preliminary final because we had, or were still going through, a heavy training load were we ? Weeks later.

When you get those Riewoldt references to training loads causing us to lose - be it 2018 or this year - that'd be good. Or from Hardwick this year too. Or some empirical data ...that'd be even better.

Like I say, Geelong, and anyone else who is doing it, must be so lucky that they can handle an increase in training loads. So lucky.

 

[Jason King]

That's wrong.

We actually haven't been but down by soft tissue injuries volume wise this year.

If it were Banks, Aarts, Soldo, Miller, Edwards and Martyn injured would you be complaining?

Instead, unluckily it has been our champions.

Our injury list ATM is a grand total of 3.

Any club would love that this time of year (It just includes Dusty and Lynch).

I'm not sure it is wrong Leysy, maybe the bit about only soft tissue injuries in isolation. I'm happy to be wrong, as a I always say so maybe I should look into it further.

No I probably wouldn't complain if it were those you listed being injured to be honest.

Dusty, Cotch, Lambert, Dion. Throw Lynch in to that mix too if you want.

They are getting injured and spending less time on the park. That's not bad luck, that's because they are older and their bodies can't hold up. To not accept this is pure denial.

This. Geelong don't have these issues, they have their best team on the park and they are oldies.

For three years we haven't been able to have a sustained period of all our core on the park at once.

Maybe it is gamestyle related, maybe it's luck. ... But gee that clock is almost done ticking.

 

[Carter]

So, we peaked too early - lets say 3/4 mark of the year or whenever - but then we fell away weeks and weeks later in the finals and Preliminary final because we had, or were still going through, a heavy training load were we ? Weeks later.

When you get those Riewoldt references to training loads causing us to lose - be it 2018 or this year - that'd be good. Or from Hardwick this year too. Or some empirical data ...that'd be even better.

Like I say, Geelong, and anyone else who is doing it, must be so lucky that they can handle an increase in training loads. So lucky.

I don’t think you understand the concept of variable loads and their objective.

 

[DavidSSS]

Training loads? Who knows.

One thing I do know because I can see it, is that our positioning around clearances, in the centre but probably moreso around the ground, is terrible. It doesn't take much effort to position yourself to stop Zurhaar from being able to run towards goal under no pressure and win the game, it takes positioning. Why was there no-one goal side of that throw in? Something is wrong in the way we set up at ball ups and throw ins.

Add to this the centre bounce positioning which seems to be all wrong and allows unpressured centre clearances, and we are giving the opposition massive advantages.

I just don't get it. There are so many experienced players who know all of this yet we continually lose clearances as a result of bad positioning.

Get this right, add in the pressure, and we are a good team. Adding the pressure also goes to what I recall Dimma talking about a few years back - number of players on screen. When you watch a game on TV you only get to see a small part of the ground, just the area around the ball. When you watch TV and our players are constantly in the minority you know we are at a big disadvantage. They need to sort this out.

DS

 

[Redford]

I don’t think you understand the concept of variable loads and their objective.

Not your concept, no.

 

[MD Jazz]

Not your concept, no.

Carts concepts have a lot of variability if you look at his history.

 

[Carter]

For Redford (and anyone else slow on the uptake):

2018: pre-season too heavy. Good for banking early wins but couldn’t sustain endurance at pointy end.

2019-2022: lighter pre-season but winter uploading to elevate fitness heading into last 6-7 games and finals.

Come on, it ain’t hard. Even for you, old Red