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[23.21.159]

You have got to be kidding me. Brayshaw played first class cricket for 10 years averaging over 40 and comes from WA cricket royalty. If you don't think he has some insight into top level cricket you are fooling yourself. As for his on air personality that is a different question...

Credit where it's due here. I think Brayshaw is a goose. I knew he played first class cricket but I had no idea it was that long and successful. In addition to the above, he made 10 centuries and played in the 1987/88 WA Shield winning side. All this at a time when both Australia and WA had very good sides. In another era or another country, he'd have played a significant amount of Test cricket.

 

[royce67]

I'm with you on this Craig. The term batter should only be used to describe the coating on my Friday fish and chips.

I get that there is this group of people out there focussing on enforcing this non-sexist language in every facet of public life when I think there are quite frankly far bigger inequity issues based on gender that need to be addressed. But the term batter is just wrong.

The term Chairman came under the same spotlight for being sexist, implying leadership is a strictly male domain. I have had heard the term Chairwoman used which is quite frankly condescending and pathetic. Thankfully, commonsense prevailed and the term Chairman is often shortened to Chair, although there are plenty of women out there who still prefer the title and maintain Chairman is the appropriate term.

The interesting thing is though that the term Chair does serve an actual purpose because most Chair positions can be held by either males and females, so the non-gender definition in the term is appropriate in my opinion.

But the last time I checked in cricket, male and female forms of the game, at least at state and national levels, are gender exclusive. So I don't see a problem with calling a batsman if the person is male, or a batswoman if they are female.

But to appease everyone, which means no one will be happy, lets just call the person batting a Bat. That is non-gender specific and works in well with the cricketing vernacular. For example

"The bowler needs to pitch it up to get the Bat playing at the ball".

"The English Bats are woefully out of form".

though not to be confused with "The Umpire is as a blind as a bat", as a number of bespectacled English players might get upset at that. The phrase should probably be said as "The Bat is as blind as an umpire" although it does lack conviction.

Realistically, the only thing that comes in to play with the term Bat is the sensitivity to coronavirus origins in a post-covid world.

So I vote that the term batsman is replaced with Bat, and we *smile* off the term batter.

And let's not start on the term manhole..........

This may cause some consternation for the composers of the Times' Cryptic. If one stumbles across a clue such as "Matures strikeress (3,3)" is one able to respond with "Old Bat". Asking for an acquaintance...

 

[Ricemagic]

And the umpire today, Paul Reiffel's dad (Ron, the old Richmond Museum curator) played with Boland's uncle Brian in the Richmond Senior Team - 3 games in 1951 and 1 game in 1952

Wonder if they got to discuss out in the middle every 10 minute catch-up, a best of Richmond 11 would beat the Poms

 

[23.21.159]

I think one K.Sheedy bowled a bit of leg-spin for Richmond back in the day.

 

[Ricemagic]

I think one K.Sheedy bowled a bit of leg-spin for Richmond back in the day.

Yeah he played a couple of senior games but mainly in the seconds around 76-77 era. I believe the footy club made him quit when they made him footy captain in '78
We were pretty strong around that time in both footy and cricket. Fantastic era to follow both the cricket and footy teams. Cricket we had Yallop, Higgs, Melville, Leehane, Cowper - bloody good cricketers
First XI Premiers 77, 83, 90. Second XI Premiers 80, 86, 88, 89, 90. Third XI Premiers 71, 89.
VFL Premiers 67, 69, 73, 74, 80. Reserves Premiers 66, 71, 73, 77. Under 19's Premiers 67, 68, 69, 70, 73, 75, 77, 80, 85, 89.

25 years - 29 Premiership Flags. Winning trophies was our business

 

[bigwow]

You have got to be kidding me. Brayshaw played first class cricket for 10 years averaging over 40 and comes from WA cricket royalty. If you don't think he has some insight into top level cricket you are fooling yourself. As for his on air personality that is a different question...

I knew he played some pretty good first class cricket, but he's massive *smile* as a commentator.

 

[Sintiger]

One thing that all the cricket on the TV has shown is that in amongst the duds there are some really good sports commentators around in this country. Makes it even more curious as to why we have to have Taylor and Brayshaw as the main commentators of AFL footy on the FTA provider

 

[eZyT]

For the most part the females that get pulled into for commentating really know their *smile*. Daisy a great example. Much angst, tears and calls of tokenism but she's easily one of the better analysts of the game on TV.

In this case I reckon PC stands for Prehistoric Craig

The women really outshine the men in racing commentary these days -

It took the beauty and depth of knowledge of francesca cummani to blaze the trail, but michelle payne and katelyn mallyon have gone on with it.

Agree daisy pearce is The best in the footy business.

Dunno enough about cricket.

 

[eZyT]

Yeah he played a couple of senior games but mainly in the seconds around 76-77 era. I believe the footy club made him quit when they made him footy captain in '78
We were pretty strong around that time in both footy and cricket. Fantastic era to follow both the cricket and footy teams. Cricket we had Yallop, Higgs, Melville, Leehane, Cowper - bloody good cricketers
First XI Premiers 77, 83, 90. Second XI Premiers 80, 86, 88, 89, 90. Third XI Premiers 71, 89.
VFL Premiers 67, 69, 73, 74, 80. Reserves Premiers 66, 71, 73, 77. Under 19's Premiers 67, 68, 69, 70, 73, 75, 77, 80, 85, 89.

25 years - 29 Premiership Flags. Winning trophies was our business

Great stuff ricemagic

 

[CarnTheTiges]

The women really outshine the men in racing commentary these days -

It took the beauty and depth of knowledge of francesca cummani to blaze the trail, but michelle payne and katelyn mallyon have gone on with it.

Agree daisy pearce is The best in the footy business.

Dunno enough about cricket.

IMO, the women easily outshine the men in cricket. Isa is an import, as is Alison Mitchell, but Lisa Sthlekar and Mel Jones are excellent and they’re Australian. As is Alyce Blackwell and Kristen Beams, both very good. Stack it up against the likes of Brayshaw. Then there are the dinosaurs like Ian Chappell and Jim Maxwell. Not to mention Warne and Mark Waugh.

 

[TrialByVideo]

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And the umpire today, Paul Reiffel's dad (Ron, the old Richmond Museum curator) played with Boland's uncle Brian in the Richmond Senior Team - 3 games in 1951 and 1 game in 1952

Wonder if they got to discuss out in the middle every 10 minute catch-up, a best of Richmond 11 would beat the Poms

Since I figured out yesterday that I worked with his dad Mick in the very early 90's.... I can't believe I don't remember that he must've been a Richmond supporter!
Mind you, these were the SOS/KB years and we wouldn't had anything great to discuss.

 

[jb03]

IMO, the women easily outshine the men in cricket. Isa is an import, as is Alison Mitchell, but Lisa Sthlekar and Mel Jones are excellent and they’re Australian. As is Alyce Blackwell and Kristen Beams, both very good. Stack it up against the likes of Brayshaw. Then there are the dinosaurs like Ian Chappell and Jim Maxwell. Not to mention Warne and Mark Waugh.

Who was/is the female commentator on triple M? She is great.

 

[mrposhman]

Who was/is the female commentator on triple M? She is great.

The English one? Thats Izzy Westbury.

Like others I actually don't see most females in sport commentary positions as token. I just think that most of the bigger sports (Soccer, AFL, cricket etc) have been late to the table. Female commentators have been working on other sports like tennis / athletics / swimming for a long long time. Most of them are seriously smart at what they talk about and we are now seeing that this male dominated profession probably shouldn't have been as dominated by men as they have been.

 

[spook]

The women really outshine the men in racing commentary these days -

It took the beauty and depth of knowledge of francesca cummani to blaze the trail, but michelle payne and katelyn mallyon have gone on with it.

And Lizzie Jelfs, although she's dumped the mic. Bit of talk she'll join Annabel Neasham's stable.

 

[TigerPort]

Most runs for England in 2021

Joe Root 1708
Rory Burns 539

Then someone named Extras 412.

Maybe they could make Extras Captain

 

[Sintiger]

Most runs for England in 2021

Joe Root 1708
Rory Burns 539

Then someone named Extras 412.

Maybe they could make Extras Captain

It is an amazing stat but it also interesting that Rohit Sharma is the next best worldwide with 906 runs

 

[shawry]

Whilst I see Lyon as a good bowler at test level, I think his record is hugely flattering and in terms of his place in history, very much undeserved.

To be third on the list of test wicket takers with 400 wickets is far above his station in my opinion and is more a reflection of the times than anything else.

I see him as being quite similar to Brett Lee, right place, right time and offering something the selectors couldn't find in any other player at that time. That is enough to play lots of cricket and build a record that looks impressive on paper but when you go through the nuances of it, doesn't quite stack up to the very best or even the best.

Amen to this, have said it for years about both Lee and Lyon. Still don’t really rate Lyon and still never see him as a match winner. Lee never seemed to e Er get more than a five for either and was picked more on potential than actually earning a spot whilst others could go for years dominating at shield level and never getting picked.

 

[23.21.159]

Whilst I see Lyon as a good bowler at test level, I think his record is hugely flattering and in terms of his place in history, very much undeserved.

To be third on the list of test wicket takers with 400 wickets is far above his station in my opinion and is more a reflection of the times than anything else.

I see him as being quite similar to Brett Lee, right place, right time and offering something the selectors couldn't find in any other player at that time. That is enough to play lots of cricket and build a record that looks impressive on paper but when you go through the nuances of it, doesn't quite stack up to the very best or even the best.

Agreed.
If you go down the list of Australian Test wicket-takers, Lyon is third - 411 wickets at 31.81.
The next off-spinner is Hugh Trumble at #26 with 141 wickets from 32 Tests at 21.78 - and he played his last Test 117 years ago!
You have to go as far down as Mike Kasprowicz at #33 to find someone with a higher average.

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[jb03]

Agreed.
If you go down the list of Australian Test wicket-takers, Lyon is third - 411 wickets at 31.81.
The next off-spinner is Hugh Trumble at #26 with 141 wickets from 32 Tests at 21.78 - and he played his last Test 117 years ago!
You have to go as far down as Mike Kasprowicz at #33 to find someone with a higher average.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Do the spinners on the list generally have higher averages than the pace bowlers?

 

[Willo]

Do the spinners on the list generally have higher averages than the pace bowlers?

Yes.. apart from O’Reilly , Grimmett, (ave low 20s) and Warne and Benaud (ave mid 20s)