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On Lyon , with all the facts and opinions of knowledgeable cricketers like yourself spook , I still see Lyon as very good in his role, however not in the elite category that a “ goat” should be , however that maybe more on the limitations an offie has compared to a leggy or quick
The "goat" call is a little tongue in cheek, I think. But the fact is no other Aussie off-spinner has even taken 150 Test wickets.
 
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Robinson's dismissal yesterday to Lyon (umpires call on impact) compared to Smiths today for the same thing just showing a bit of the luck just not falling for England, but gets me to 1 thing I don't really understand, what its the purpose of the ball in an LBW call having to impact in line? If its going to hit the stumps why does it actually matter where exactly it hit the batsman????

I know its the rules, so not sooking about this decision, it is what it is, just not sure I really get the purpose of why this is included in the decision.
Yeah, there’s anomalies in the lbw rules. The other one that gets me is the “pitched outside leg stump” one. You can be absolutely plumb lbw but because it pitched outside leg it’s not out. Why does it matter where it pitched?
 
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Yeah, there’s anomalies in the lbw rules. The other one that gets me is the “pitched outside leg stump” one. You can be absolutely plumb lbw but because it pitched outside leg it’s not out. Why does it matter where it pitched?
The "pitched outside leg" rule is important because otherwise you'd get awful negative leg theory that makes it tough to score and horrible to watch. The "hit him outside off" rule is from the beforetimes when there were no replays or ball tracking. You could conceivably get rid of it, but it's a batsman's game so don't hold your breath.
 
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Yeah, there’s anomalies in the lbw rules. The other one that gets me is the “pitched outside leg stump” one. You can be absolutely plumb lbw but because it pitched outside leg it’s not out. Why does it matter where it pitched?
Me too. If the ball is gonna hit the stumps, it’s out, no matter where it pitched. If a player is bowled, but it pitched outside leg is he not out?
 
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One in every three wickets is a tailender. Taking a wicket every 33 runs on hard flat pitches with a soft ball against set batsmen is a very important role in Australia. Shane Warne's come once a century.

Murali averaged 75 in Australia.

Ashwin averages 42 in Australia.

Swann averaged 53 in Australia.

Vettori averaged 45 in Australia.

Tim May averaged 40 in Australia, 34 overall.

Mallett averaged 33 in Australia.

Yardley averaged 32 in Australia. Had two very good years.

Australia has always been a graveyard for finger spinners.

We were probably spoiled with Warne, he would come on to bowl and you just got the feeling the batters felt threatened and something was about to happen. Lyon has never looked as threatening. Pretty rare for a spinner to elicit such fear, maybe Underwood, but very few. Lyon is very good but finger spinners rarely look as threatening as a freak leggy like Warne. As for "The Goat", yeah, I always figured it was because he looks like one because there is no way he is the greatest. Lyon is a great bowler, 400 wickets tells you that, but not in the conversation for the greatest (and I don't reckon he would argue he is either).

Just looked up that website, Jeff Thompson looks good on which batters he dismissed:
Top Order: 37%
Middle Order: 41.5%
Tail: 21.5%
Imagine facing Thompson, ball hidden behind him as he bowls and then comes at you at 100MPH :eek:

DS
 
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Amazing the difference when you take the the attack to the bowler, that first hour was poor considering the commanding position we were in, thank goodness for Travis Head looking the revelation of the series?
 
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The "pitched outside leg" rule is important because otherwise you'd get awful negative leg theory that makes it tough to score and horrible to watch. The "hit him outside off" rule is from the beforetimes when there were no replays or ball tracking. You could conceivably get rid of it, but it's a batsman's game so don't hold your breath.

Thats what I was thinking, that hitting in line probably helped the ump, but actually has very little relevance to an actual LBW decision. With the technology that we have now, I don't see why its still included, just seems pointless.
 
Why is Hameed playing at that ball, regardless of his technique, surely when you are chasing 468 and have to bat for 134 overs, you leave most things on length alone. That ball was going probably half a metre above the stumps. Absolutely no need to play at it, the fact he played at it and poorly makes the decision even worse.
 
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England need to sit both Burns and Hameed down and force them to watch videos of Marnus so they know what they can and cannot leave. He leaves predominantly on length regardless of the angle. Burns in the 1st innings and Hameed now in the 2nd, didn't need to play at either delivery, they could have easily left on length. They need to learn that its not England, these wickets are bloody hard and will bounce well.
 
Malan seems to be built to bat in Aussie conditions. His batting averages.

In Australia, 551 runs at 46.
In England, 369 at 23
In NZ, 78 at 19.5.

Hasn't batted anywhere else in Tests.