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Coronavirus

There have been apparent cases reported, but they're not sure if the disease can be bi-phasal, i.e. go dormant for a period before resurfacing. There are documented cases of victims testing positive, then negative, then positive again.

Apparently there was a doctor on Ch 7 last night saying once you get it, you'll develop antibodies that will protect you for a period from getting it again. But elsewhere I've read that some people don't develop sufficient antibodies to be immune for long.

Just another unknown among many.

Certainly seems we're in for an extended battle until a safe and effective vaccine can be developed. A stern test of character for the nation.

Certaintly will be LTRTR.

History shows humans don’t always display their best side!

Some people were being very dismissive and calling out some as alarmists , over the top reactions, dramatic, etc , heck even Trump still refers as fake news !

I see this year testing us all on our humanity.

This will cost more than lives!
 
Daniel Andrews (with Dr Brett Sutton) just held a presser basically preparing Victorians to expect 'Social Distancing' measures when we meet the next phase of this virus.
According to senior Medical advice The Grand Prix & Footy will go ahead 'today' but there's no guarantees beyond that as it's a moving beast.

Empty stadiums I heard more than once referred by a few as a real possibility.
 
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Are we sure this is not a nuclear outbreak? I must be hallucinating hearing/seeing this every day. The whole world's f*cking gone bonkers.
 
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The reality of what happens when a health system is overwhelmed.

 
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Interesting that Russia has only had 20 cases, 3 recovered, 17 active and no deaths.
 
The reality of what happens when a health system is overwhelmed.


Sobering reading indeed.
 
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@23.21.159 ...

You may have other things to worry about, but I noticed Denmark had a substantial jump of 66 new cases today, up to 156. Anything of interest you want to share?

Edit: 172 new cases, up to 262.
 
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Here's another account Lee, from another Italian ICU doctor in Bergamo (home to one of my favourite football teams, Atalanta).


The twitter unroll is actually a summary of a longer article in Italian linked below - use google chrome and autotranslate.


A short part of the article.

"Now, however, that need for beds in all its drama has arrived. One after another, the departments that had been emptied are filling up at an impressive rate. The display boards with the names of the sick, of different colors depending on the operating unit they belong to, are now all red and instead of the surgical operation there is the diagnosis, which is always the same cursed: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, tell me which flu virus causes such a rapid tragedy. Because that's the difference (now I'm going down a bit in the technical field): in classical flu, apart from infecting much less population over several months, cases can be complicated less frequently, only when the VIRUS destroying the protective barriers of the Our respiratory tract allows BACTERIA normally resident in the upper tract to invade the bronchi and lungs, causing more serious cases. Covid 19 causes a banal influence in many young people, but in many elderly people (and not only) a real SARS because it arrives directly in the alveoli of the lungs and infects them making them unable to perform their function.

Sorry, but to me as a doctor it doesn't reassure you that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies. The elderly population is the most represented in our country and it is difficult to find someone who, above 65 years of age, does not take at least the tablet for pressure or diabetes. I also assure you that when you see young people who end up in intubated intensive care, pronated or worse in ECMO (a machine for the worst cases, which extracts the blood, re-oxygenates it and returns it to the body, waiting for the organism, hopefully, heal your lungs), all this tranquility for your young age passes there."
 
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Why are we being fed ******* *smile* about masks only being effective for medical personnel? FFS.

Distribute masks and make them compulsory and we can knock this ****er over in a month. 50-cent bloody masks.
Mate over here in Abu Dhabi even dental practices are stretching use of masks as they can't get new stock. The ppl that need it the most are medical practitioners. There's a strict process for fitment and joe blogs will most likely render the mask ineffective anyway so not entirely wrong to generalise you're best without them.
Sorry but I simply don't believe you're no better off with a mask. A variety of sources (i.e. not government advice) suggest a P2/N95 mask is better than no mask by a factor of 5. If someone coughs or sneezes in your vicinity it simply has to provide some protection.

Coronavirus response may draw from Spanish flu pandemic of 100 years ago


Certainly if the disease becomes widespread here I will be making use of my small quantity of P2 respirator masks when going out in public, and optics be damned.
Yes perhaps for the 20 minutes the masks are designed to protect for. After that they become a platform that promotes virus orgies. Do you want that on your schnozz?
 
Some of what Trump has been claiming with the virus is flatly false, but I can't help to agree that the quoted 3.4% is flawed somewhat.

I saw an interview on the project with 2 passengers (they were a couple probably in their mid 20's) that contracted the virus on the Diamond princess. They said they had no symptoms, were tested as a final precaution as they were due to fly back to Australia and then tested positive despite no symptoms. So they were quarantined. The whole time they had the virus they said they had no symptoms, so my thinking, outside of China, maybe the infection rate is MUCH higher but the mortality rate is also much lower. Its anecdotal I know and we wouldn't know for sure unless HUGE proportions of the public were tested, but if you have no symptoms you aren't likely to go and get tested, you know "just in case".
There's apparently 2 strains. One of them is not as aggressive.
 
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Yes perhaps for the 20 minutes the masks are designed to protect for. After that they become a platform that promotes virus orgies. Do you want that on your schnozz?

You're telling me that a P2 respirator mask, properly fitted and not contaminated with hands etc, isn't good for ~8 hours?

I bought mine from a hardware store nearly a month ago so I'm not depriving anyone in health care. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has any in stock to sell to the public now.
 
A respirator is personal protective equipment that prevents the wearer from inhaling aerosols (dust, smoke, mist) as well as vapors or gases (disinfectants, anesthetic gases) that are health hazards. Unavailable in pharmacy, it protects the wearer from airborne infectious agents i.e. against contamination by a virus such as coronavirus, SARS, H1N1, etc.

 
Case count excluding China/Diamond Princess (updated 11:30pm)

39,762 cases
1,213 deaths (3.05%)
1,227 severe (3%)
32,321 mild (81%)
5,001 recovered (13%)

Mortality rate outisde China tops 3% for the first time.

Italy +977 cases, +168 deaths and three times China's number of infections per capita.
Spain +443 => 1674
Demark +172 => 262
Switzerland +123 => 497
 
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Italy +977 cases, +168 deaths and three times China's number of infections per capita.

Its fair to say that Italy is a significantly smaller geographic region, so that per capita infection is understandably higher.

On the flipside the Chinese response, when it came, was and remains a significant shut-down. Workplaces are opening this week after a month-long restriction.
 
In France, last Friday at 8pm the prime minister announced that schools, creches, libraries, swimming pools etc would be shut in affected states.
Plus gatherings of over 50 people.