Coronavirus

[Panthera Tigris]

The comparison of smoking and drinking v non vaccination doesn’t work for me. At all.

Smoking and drinking and the effects of it are a slow burn across our societies that we have managed to account for in our health systems for over 100 years plus now. Covid is an en masse instantaneous illness that short circuits our health system completely. You also don’t make someone else sick by drinking alcohol or eating fatty foods or whatever. Remaining unvaccinated you DO have that potential to make someone else sick.

There’s a reason why Biden and other democratic governments around the world are pressuring and heading towards a mandated position on vaccinations.

Fine, agree to disagree. With the unlimited wants and limited resource pressures placed on medical services, I disagree that the selfish decision of drinkers and smokers are adequately accounted for in the health systems. But then to downplay such decisions is a symptom of our society worshipping self gratification and essentially abhorring any sense of duty and personal responsibility. Can't have it both ways is more where I am coming from.

"As for insurance premiums I raised that months ago as an inevitable outcome. But not everyone is insured." True statement. But this is why in addition to insurance, you build in a consequence to the Medicare levy. Same could be done on a vast array of vaccinations that we recieve.

 

[tigerman]

Real example of vax passport/restrictions working.

Bloke in my building is a mad anti-covid vaxxer. Got to the point people avoided him because it's all he wanted to talk about. He was also a fitness freak and the main user of the building's gym.

They've reopened the gym after 6 months of closure about a week ago. Big sign say "Vaccinated residents only". Saw him coming out of the gym this morning and he saw my quizzical look. He whipped out his phone to show he's had his first jab then walked away muttering something about it all being *smile*.

Made my day.

Good to hear, so much for his convictions. He talked the talk, but couldn’t walk the walk.

 

[Redford]

Fine, agree to disagree. With the unlimited wants and limited resource pressures placed on medical services, I disagree that the selfish decision of drinkers and smokers are adequately accounted for in the health systems. But then to downplay such decisions is a symptom of our society worshipping self gratification and essentially abhorring any sense of duty and personal responsibility. Can't have it both ways is more where I am coming from.

"As for insurance premiums I raised that months ago as an inevitable outcome. But not everyone is insured." True statement. But this is why in addition to insurance, you build in a consequence to the Medicare levy. Same could be done on a vast array of vaccinations that we recieve.

Sorry, but referencing smoking and drinking as selfish is absurd. By that measure thousands of other generally accepted things or choices in life are too.

Non Vaccination and a comparison to those choices is riddled with inconsistencies.

 

[Tigers of Old]

3 of NSW's 9 deaths today were fully vaccinated.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Sorry, but referencing smoking and drinking as selfish is absurd. By that measure thousands of other things in life are too.

Non Vaccination and a comparison to those choices is riddled with inconsistencies.

If you don't believe in the concept of self restraint as a basic human responsibility, sure smoking and excessive drinking aren't selfish.

 

[Redford]

3 of NSW's 9 deaths today were fully vaccinated.

Age ? Underlying conditions Dr ToOlittle ?

 

[Redford]

If you don't believe in the concept of self restraint as a basic human responsibility, sure smoking and excessive drinking aren't selfish.

Give us a break. We don’t live as monks.

 

[Tigers of Old]

All had underlying conditions Red but many people do.

GG has said no more pressers from next week, just as they're forecast to head into their worst month..

 

[Baloo]

3 of NSW's 9 deaths today were fully vaccinated.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had underlying health conditions. Many of us do and while the vaccine gives us a better chance of survival if we contract it, we're still at risk. My specialist explained it as moving down from the "Near certain death" category to the more palatable "High Risk".

 

[AngryAnt]

3 of NSW's 9 deaths today were fully vaccinated.

If 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of covid deaths would be vaccinated people.

 

[Redford]

All had underlying conditions Red but many people do.

GG has said no more pressers from next week, just as they're forecast to head into their worst month..

Underlying health conditions are another reason why being vaccinated isn’t just a case of leaving the unvaccinated’s to their own devices and future.

I recall reading a while ago something like one in three men over the age of 50 has some form of heart disease (often natural so to speak and undetected) and it goes up exponentially with age. Can’t remember exact numbers. Diabetics ?

Underlying health conditions? That’s almost all of us

We are being indoctrinated into believing that the increasing COVID-19 death toll is confined to the infirm. It’s a cynical fiction, and a dangerous one.

www.google.com.au

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Give us a break. We don’t live as monks.

True, thus we must accept personal responsibility for the decisions we make for our own self gratification.

 

[Tigers of Old]

'Living with Covid.'
Gladys the unaccountable superspreader is the worst premier this country has ever seen.

 

[Bunnerz]

what was Israel jabbed with?

90% jabbed and daily numbers exploded.

hopefully not AZ or Pfizer?

 

[Redford]

'Living with Covid.'
Gladys the unaccountable superspreader is the worst premier this country has ever seen.

Again, the reality is that the truly correct phrase is “Living AND dying with Covid.”

 

[Ridley]

what was Israel jabbed with?

90% jabbed and daily numbers exploded.

hopefully not AZ or Pfizer?

I believe predominantly Pfizer.

 

[Coburgtiger]

If you don't believe in the concept of self restraint as a basic human responsibility, sure smoking and excessive drinking aren't selfish.

If you're going to use the smoking and drinking analogy to say people can be unvaccinated, you probably should mention that there are lots of places you're not allowed entry if you're smoking or drinking.


So pretty good analogy actually.

 

[Redford]

I believe predominantly Pfizer.

Almost exclusively Pfizer up until August but now also Moderna.

 

[Bunnerz]

if true - re: Israel, its a bit of a worry.

 

[Ian4]

Real example of vax passport/restrictions working.

Bloke in my building is a mad anti-covid vaxxer. Got to the point people avoided him because it's all he wanted to talk about. He was also a fitness freak and the main user of the building's gym.

They've reopened the gym after 6 months of closure about a week ago. Big sign say "Vaccinated residents only". Saw him coming out of the gym this morning and he saw my quizzical look. He whipped out his phone to show he's had his first jab then walked away muttering something about it all being *smile*.

Made my day.

which corroborates my point in my last post on the previous page. If unvaccinated people are locked out of everywhere and become pariahs, they will feel pressured to get vaccinated. And this will push the percentages up. this can only be a good thing.

'Living with Covid.'
Gladys the unaccountable superspreader is the worst premier this country has ever seen.

If NSW opens up at 70%, COVID rips, it spreads to all of the others states, causing hundreds of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths… Gladys should be put on trial for treason.