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- Thread starter Tigers of Old
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It'll make a difference, for a little while. I don't see how China doesn't run into difficulties again (short of executing the sick).
So far we've had 7 deaths in Australia from 1715 cases. 7. In 2 months.
All of which were over 77 years of age. That's old.
That may change but on the face of it that really doesn't look that bad.
So many people lost their jobs today & the market is in free fall. This with no end in sight.
People may toe the line for a while but some stage people are going to rebel against current measures if this continues is my prediction.
I tried explaining to my 15 year old son that he can't catch up with his mates on holidays tonight..
Ended in a massive argument. I found myself sympathising with him. I really did.
Right now this is no way to live & it's having a profound impact on society.
Old people are susceptible but they've already lived a great life it must be said. Yes it's very sad that they may pass away.
My parents included but at the expense of ruining everyone elses? It's going to be a hard sell over the long term..
All true Oldie. Repercussions are the worst thing of this now. IMO, this social distancing seems just too ridiculous and overly pedantic. I really doubt we are gonna get hit hard as most think but then again, protocol is protocol.
Its only just started. Its not that hard. Saying its no way to live is wrong. Think about the older people and say its no way to die.
Its a test of society. I'll guarantee your 15 year old will sleep easier in 20 years time knowing he wasn't responsible for the deaths of fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers. All the while learning to look beyond oneself.
He said 1.3-1.4. If you take the lower value, 1.3 to the tenth = 13.7
You could also say 3 is a high estimate, but the point stands... which I know that you get now, so apologies for the smug chessboard/rice youtube.
Don't profess to have the answers just shared the convo.
Young people are going to be the hardest sell because they see this as no affecting them because they are no chance to get sick from it. This is where it differs from another pandemic like the Spanish Flu.
Hence the scenes at Bondi Beach.
Telling them it's going to save people 77 & up is not easy.
This one is a good graphic representation of why distancing is important, dunno but it might help. 2nd tweet below.
Young people get sick from it. If it is serious, they go to hospital. They are on respirators. They recover. Older people and those with pre-existing conditions generally don't.
If the virus goes bananas, then lots of people get sick, many need to go to hospital. Not enough respirators. Old people die, young people die.
But, I generally agree. There must be a point where such draconian measures are wound back and much less before six months. Trump seems to be indicating his tolerance for a lockdown is 14 days. He'll probably go a month. Australia might go three.
No doubt there will be another wave somewhere in China, but they'll lock down superhard like they did in Wuhan and ride it out quicker.
Pretty sure Italy will ride out the next wave better with a total lockdown early. If Aus's response doesn't work then I'm sure our second wave will see a more focused and immediate response.
What Australia is attempting to do is lockdown enough to stop a massive pandemic while trying to keep some semblance of economy going. Only time will tell if that will work. Personally I'd rather be in NZ than Aus right now.
As for letting those more prone to the virus just dying off, you'd need to restrict them from medical care and hospitals as it's when the hospitals are full of dying 65+ yo that all other medical requirements are no longer catered for.
So the only option is to let them die at home. Or maybe we can build some camps and transport them all there.
Pretty sure Italy will ride out the next wave better with a total lockdown early. If Aus's response doesn't work then I'm sure our second wave will see a more focused and immediate response.
What Australia is attempting to do is lockdown enough to stop a massive pandemic while trying to keep some semblance of economy going. Only time will tell if that will work. Personally I'd rather be in NZ than Aus right now.
As for letting those more prone to the virus just dying off, you'd need to restrict them from medical care and hospitals as it's when the hospitals are full of dying 65+ yo that all other medical requirements are no longer catered for.
So the only option is to let them die at home. Or maybe we can build some camps and transport them all there.
Letting all those passengers disembark the 4 cruise ships in Sydney, with no screening, should be deemed to be criminal behaviour as far as I'm concerned 
www.abc.net.au
Three thousand people got off a cruise in Sydney. Four days later they were told to self-isolate
Cruise ship passengers disembark in Sydney and spend four days in the community before receiving NSW government advice to self-isolate due to a positive coronavirus detection.
www.abc.net.au
Hey CBT, can you chime in on the use of "herd immunity" in relation to unchecked transmission of the virus? It seems to me, lay person, that this is an inappropriate use of jargon to make people sound like they know more than they do. Surely herd immunity involves mass vaccination which is supposed to get to as many people as possible, usually over 95% of the population you are inoculating, and also means they can't then transmit the virus. Allowing people to overcome the virus on their own may improve susceptibility to future infection but it does not mean they cannot still be vectors and thus herd immunity is not achieved? Have got this wrong?
Yeah. They need to get an ad going like the Grim Reaper AIDS ad, but scarier. Pronto.
Coburger can answer in full but herd immunity can be through natural exposure as well as by vaccine.
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Yeah, that is so good.
Always understood the concept of exponential growth and my maths is pretty good so it just made sense that something like 1.2 or 1.3 to the power of 10 is going to be a lot lot less than say 2 or 3 to the power of 10. But when you actually plug the numbers in you get to see just what the difference is. F***ing huge is the difference, no other way to look at it really.
My workplace is going to work from home mode from Wednesday so we're all madly trying to get things set up at home to work, just about everyone is borrowing a second screen (I usually run 3 screens) so we can get things done.
I suspect I will be back at work once or twice to find some essential files but already dumping them on a sharepoint site or a cloud to make sure I can actually get stuff done.
We'll see how long things need to be closed, not looking good.
One thing that is pissing me off at the moment is that it looks like the market (I go to Prahran Market) will have to close but Coles and Woolies will be able to stay open. This just makes absolutely no sense, are we just going to screw the local butcher and green grocer and leave the supermarket oligopoly to take over after this is over?
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