What data do you want? There's proof the regulations are in place and being policed, establishments penalised.
Keep in mind MSM here is government owned.
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What data do you want? There's proof the regulations are in place and being policed, establishments penalised.
Keep in mind MSM here is government owned.
Cheers. used a couple of those points fyi. They are stubborn on it. time will tell what they do
Wearing masks is a way of life now. If you happen to walk outside without a mask someone will come up and offer you a spare that most people carry. You have a few anti-vax / anti-mask nutters but they either backdown when the authorities come knocking, or they end up fined and in jail if they persist.
Kids sports is probably suffering the most. Max groups of 5 (inc coach) mean 2v2 matches which isn't much fun unless you're playing tennis or beach volleyball.
But ultimately there is an acceptance that the restrictions need to happen to keep the country ticking over and to come out the other side as unscathed as possible. With no national resources to speak of, the reopening of global trade and being the regions hub is it's survival.
That’s just individual stories or anecdotes. I could give you those for lockdown and say regs are in place, being policed and people or establishments penalised. The reality though ????
Where’s the numbers and data to show that vax passports are limiting spread in an unrestricted/non lockdown environment ?
At best it’s just an encouragement to avoid hassle at the odd venue or event and not much else.
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I guess tho even if there isnt 100% compliance, there will be many people who will get the vax, who may otherwise not, rather than have to break the law to go to the pub/footy/opera.
Same number of cases today as yesterday in Vic, 246, not sure what that means but I suppose we find out over the next few days.
The ABC has an article about vaccination rollouts, the PM for NSW is up to his usual tricks:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...of-pfizer-covid-vaccines-last-month/100380908
I really hope this comes back to bite him.
I also recall someone here (I think) mentioned that in Victoria a higher proportion of the vaccinations given were AZ as opposed to Pfizer, I can't find that info but it would be good to see.
I think we are going to get some sort of vaccine passport, most likely on our phones. I don't see how this is so hard to manage. Security check your phone on the way in, just like people need to scan their ticket on the way into the footy, their phone gets checked on the way into a venue. I'm sure a few will lend their phone out to others but it will be a small proportion. I really don't see why those who fail to take responsibility for the situation we all find ourselves in, the pandemic, should have the same rights as those who do the responsible thing and get vaccinated. Freedom comes with responsibility, and the obverse is also true, responsibility enables freedom.
DS
The ABC has an article about vaccination rollouts, the PM for NSW is up to his usual tricks:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...of-pfizer-covid-vaccines-last-month/100380908
I really hope this comes back to bite him.
I also recall someone here (I think) mentioned that in Victoria a higher proportion of the vaccinations given were AZ as opposed to Pfizer, I can't find that info but it would be good to see.
I think we are going to get some sort of vaccine passport, most likely on our phones. I don't see how this is so hard to manage. Security check your phone on the way in, just like people need to scan their ticket on the way into the footy, their phone gets checked on the way into a venue. I'm sure a few will lend their phone out to others but it will be a small proportion. I really don't see why those who fail to take responsibility for the situation we all find ourselves in, the pandemic, should have the same rights as those who do the responsible thing and get vaccinated. Freedom comes with responsibility, and the obverse is also true, responsibility enables freedom.
DS
No doubt. The convenience factor I mentioned. But in comparison to the Darwin incentive and perhaps getting sick or losing your life, it’ll be very small in comparison.
This shows the breakdown of AZ v Pfizer per state. Victoria clearly the AZ kings simply because our PM left our citizens no choice.
And the 7:30 report last night shows that he continues to favour NSW over everywhere else, despite assuring Daniel Andrews and other state leaders that it would be distributed on a per capita basis from now on.
it will get those who cant be f'd, but dont want to have lie or break the law to get a beer/coffee.
it will also test the convictions of some of those who currently rely on Dr Google instead of real doctors. i reckon many who think they are smarter than mainstream doctors might weaken a little when they actually they lose access to some activities.
The next step might be to link some centrelink benefits to being vaccinated, as currently happens.
New vaccines shouldnt be distributed on a per capita basis, they should be distributed on a per capita basis minus what has already been allocated.
Of course, but not according to the PM for NSW! It would appear he had lied to the state premiers about the distribution plans. Honestly, how can anyone trust this bloke? He is a serial liar.
Unfortunately, 20% of the population won’t/don’t want to get vaccinated.
Trying to separate those people from the herd with vax passports and doing it across hundreds of thousands of venues with a high proportion of those venues being unable/not willing to apply it and then authorities also unable to enforce it either, means that all up, it’s going to have little impact.
Darwinism, potential health risk, employers mandating vaccination etc are all going to have a far more significant impact on community health and safety than vax passports.
Its clear from here too. Look at the vaccinations by GP, this is Pfizer being given by the feds to the GP network in Sydney and much lower supply elsewhere. 4.3m vs 2.6m but I'm sure someone posted up that we had administered more AZ vaccines than NSW had.
12,009,790 Coronavirus cases in Australia - COVID Live
Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia
covidlive.com.au
I think eventually covid will be so endemic so we'll all have antibodies by exposure or vaccination or both. I can see it then eventually becoming an optional booster vax if you want it (like flu vax) or given to vulnerable populations.
Andrews losing it with Morrison at todays presser. He rightly wants Morrison to make up for the stolen vaccines. Wants Hunt to answer questions about this. Said NSW is racing towards 80% and it’s an "egg and spoon race" elsewhere
On a light hearted note. Maybe he could go behind the Fed's back and purchase a bunch of Sinopharm and Sinovaxx from his friends in Beijing as an up yours to Morrison and co for intervening and tearing up VIC's Belt & Road MOU?
