Coronavirus

[Sintiger]

I was thinking the opposite, but im a bit biased cause I hate Sydney and love Melbourne

It is why I asked the question Ezy because I was thinking maybe it was just me. One thing I do notice is the people they trot out to interview complaining about a 2-3 week lockdown which makes me a little annoyed considering what we went through !!

Anyway the reality is that it is on all our interests that NSW get on top of this because our biggest state in lockdown is bad for the country no doubt

 

[Redford]

But ezy the problem is that it’s not a fair dinkum lockdown. Burnings and IKEA and Kmart are still open FFS. And people from Sydney have been moving all over Sydney as opposed to being locked down to local 5km zone like we were in Melbourne. and we know people from Sydney have been caught in regional areas when they shouldn’t have been there. It is a *smile* lockdown and no wonder cases are increasing daily rather than decreasing as they should. It’s like Sydneysiders think they are too important to be locked down.

Plus, I read today that there are 300 people returning to Melbourne every day from Sydney red zones. WTF?? What are so many people doing in Sydney and why are the suddenly coming back to Melbourne? Based on all factors above the border should be shut now and probably should have been shut days ago. I think we will be very lucky if we avoid a Sydney based COVID outbreak in Melbourne.

Absolutely Chumpley.

Just close the *** border already. Like we can afford not to after all we’ve been through in Victoria. Bet most Victorians would feel it should be.

 

[MD Jazz]

Do people really need the government to tell them not to do the wrong thing? More than half the new cases are family members of existing cases. People are still visiting homes that aren’t theirs. It’s that simple. I’d love to see one recorded case of someone catching it from someone else at the beach. Or in a park. Showing pictures of people walking in the beach or in the park as some sort of evidence of recklessness is lazy.
if you care about your family don’t visit them. You shouldn’t need some public servant to tell you your behaviour could jeopardise their life. Is there a proven case of open air outdoor transmission? Surely people are informed enough to know not to go indoors unless it’s your own home? We’ve created a moronic society that can barely think for itself and relies on sports stars and celebrities for life cues.
My mum lives in Sydney in the west and she won’t catch covid because she is careful and not reckless. I have little doubt of this. But families that recklessly ignore the risks won’t be so lucky. And I bet there’ll be plenty that will blame the government and not take responsibility for their own behaviour.

 

[eZyT]

Absolutely Chumpley.

Just close the *** border already. Like we can afford not to after all we’ve been through in Victoria. Bet most Victorians would feel it should be.

I totally get the 'shut the border' reaction.

not judging anyone for it. Ive felt it and said it myself.

and I understand it especially from Melbourne people, who carry an understandable kind of Covid PTSD.

But I think we have to get back to National approach and progress from the dysfunctional State approach.

and guess what? that requires a PM capable of, and prepared to, show decent leadership.

Its a debacle.

on the 400 people arriving to in Melb from Sydney, surely they have to quarantine?

or am I naive to assume logical approaches?

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I totally get the 'shut the border' reaction.

not judging anyone for it. Ive felt it and said it myself.

and I understand it especially from Melbourne people, who carry an understandable kind of Covid PTSD.

But I think we have to get back to National approach and progress from the dysfunctional State approach.

and guess what? that requires a PM capable of, and prepared to, show decent leadership.

Its a debacle.

on the 400 people arriving to in Melb from Sydney, surely they have to quarantine?

or am I naive to assume logical approaches?

They do ezy, and that’s been reiterated by Dan Andrews today. It may be a moot point any way, because the AHPCC is meeting and the outcomes of that will determine whether all of NSW is declared a hotspot.

 

[eZyT]

There’ll undoubtedly be transmission into regional areas now. This is a bs lockdown. And besides, you really think that controlling the red spots is realistic ? It’s easier to control a total border closure. Wagga Wagga v Warrnambool ??? What ???

I stand to be corrected, but theres 500 or so active cases in Greater Sydney, and 0 in the rest of NSW, 3-4 weeks after the lockdown where you can go to Ikea and Harvey Norman and drink margaritas on Bondi Beach with all your mates.

my point about Wagga Wagga and Warnambool, is both places are equally accessible to people from Greater Sydney right now, which is to say, unaccessible. and there are 0 cases in both places.

doesn't patrolling the Murray River just *smile* up a heap of peoples daily lives and aspirations, without really protecting anyone from anything?

ive got skin in this game. ive lived on the Nsw/qld border through this whole thing. I live in NSW, but ive got a lot of life in Queensland, unfortunately. and theres millions and millions of people, a *smile* long way from Sydney and Melbourne, who take Covid really seriously, and keep getting *smile* in the *smile* by stupid pointless politics that make our Federation a joke.

But it all sheets back to Morrison; he's played the states so he can do *smile* all and keep his job, he's botched the vaccine, he's shirked his constitutional responsilibilty to protect our island with a decent quarantine system.

with a decent leader, our lives would look like the Wimbledon final last night.

 

[Redford]

I totally get the 'shut the border' reaction.

not judging anyone for it. Ive felt it and said it myself.

and I understand it especially from Melbourne people, who carry an understandable kind of Covid PTSD.

But I think we have to get back to National approach and progress from the dysfunctional State approach.

and guess what? that requires a PM capable of, and prepared to, show decent leadership.

Its a debacle.

on the 400 people arriving to in Melb from Sydney, surely they have to quarantine?

or am I naive to assume logical approaches?

Whilst the country is only 9% fully vaccinated because of an incompetent Federal Government, what other levers besides restrictions are at our disposal to stop a complete health crisis - especially with a more contagious Delta variant ?

You sound like you live outside of Victoria and a long way from Melbourne and the reality of Covid outbreaks to be making some of these comments.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I totally get the 'shut the border' reaction.

not judging anyone for it. Ive felt it and said it myself.

and I understand it especially from Melbourne people, who carry an understandable kind of Covid PTSD.

But I think we have to get back to National approach and progress from the dysfunctional State approach.

and guess what? that requires a PM capable of, and prepared to, show decent leadership.

Its a debacle.

on the 400 people arriving to in Melb from Sydney, surely they have to quarantine?

or am I naive to assume logical approaches?

I came back from cairns last week which was a green zone. Just had to paperwork.

orange zone you have to get a test and isolate for 3 days / negative result.

red zone you have to get tested and isolate at
Home for 2 weeks. We really need a monitoring system to do this properly. Imo some Kind of gps bands - believe sa is trialling.

 

[Redford]

I stand to be corrected, but theres 500 or so active cases in Greater Sydney, and 0 in the rest of NSW, 3-4 weeks after the lockdown where you can go to Ikea and Harvey Norman and drink margaritas on Bondi Beach with all your mates.

my point about Wagga Wagga and Warnambool, is both places are equally accessible to people from Greater Sydney right now, which is to say, unaccessible. and there are 0 cases in both places.

doesn't patrolling the Murray River just *smile* up a heap of peoples daily lives and aspirations, without really protecting anyone from anything?

Warrnambool - some 1500 klm’s away from Greater Sydney and in another state all together - is no comparison to Wagga Wagga. That’s ridiculous. The travel exchange numbers are entirely different and hence the risk quotient.

 

[AngryAnt]

Whilst the country is only 9% fully vaccinated because of an incompetent Federal Government, what other levers besides restrictions are at our disposal to stop a complete health crisis - especially with a more contagious Delta variant ?

You sound like you live outside of Victoria and a long way from Melbourne and the reality of Covid outbreaks to be making some of these comments.

Yep, I was overseas last year so missed the big lockdown but the three weeks this year was bad enough. If we have to do it we'll do it but let's try not to have to be in that position.

Regarding Sydney, lockdown properly or don't do it at all, anything else is a waste of time - Victoria proved that last year.

Read today that Victoria is ONLY place in the world to have successfully suppressed Delta.

 

[eZyT]

You sound like you live outside of Victoria and a long way from Melbourne and the reality of Covid outbreaks to be making some of these comments.

with the utmost respect, it sounds like you havnt read my last 3 posts.

 

[Redford]

Yep, I was overseas last year so missed the big lockdown but the three weeks this year was bad enough. If we have to do it we'll do it but let's try not to have to be in that position.

Regarding Sydney, lockdown properly or don't do it at all, anything else is a waste of time - Victoria proved that last year.

Read today that Victoria is ONLY place in the world to have successfully suppressed Delta.

Yep. And because NSW won’t do it properly, Victoria has no alternative but to protect itself from them by any means necessary. We’ve seen SA QLD and WA and even NSW themselves do it to us when we’ve had outbreaks like this.

The border should have been closed days ago.

 

[Redford]

with the utmost respect, it sounds like you havnt read my last 3 posts.

Do you live in Victoria ?

 

[eZyT]

Warrnambool - some 1500 klm’s away from Greater Sydney and in another state all together - is no comparison to Wagga Wagga. That’s ridiculous. The travel exchange numbers are entirely different and hence the risk quotient.

ok then, lets go with Tibooburra and Warnambool.

 

[Redford]

ok then, lets go with Tibooburra and Warnambool.

Are you seriously suggesting Warrnambool has the same risk factor right now to Victorians as the state of NSW has ?

That is ridiculous.

 

[eZyT]

Do you live in Victoria ?

ive lived on the Nsw/qld border through this whole thing. I live in NSW, but ive got a lot of life in Queensland, unfortunately.

I dont know how much better I can state my geographic position on this brother.

28.6474S. 153.6020E. ????

 

[eZyT]

Are you seriously suggesting Warrnambool has the same risk factor right now to Victorians as the state of NSW has ?

That is ridiculous.

you talked proximity and people exchange.

Tibooburra is in NSW, but way further from Sydney than Warnambool and far fewer people move between Tibooburra and Sydney than Sydney and warnabool.

im pointing out the arbitrary nature of borders and people, the chinks in our federation and how it relates to Covid.

I understand why you dont get my point.

No worries.

 

[Redford]

I dont know how much better I can state my geographic position on this brother.

28.6474S. 153.6020E. ????

Thank you.

As a state that’s been through hell and back, numerous times, we’re in no position down here but to protect ourselves by all means necessary and not be crushed again. The state has been beaten to a pulp.

Close the border.

 

[eZyT]

Thank you.

As a state that’s been through hell and back, numerous times, we’re in no position down here but to protect ourselves by all means necessary and not be crushed again. The state has been beaten to a pulp.

Close the border.

I know.

thats why I said this

I totally get the 'shut the border' reaction.

not judging anyone for it. Ive felt it and said it myself.

and I understand it especially from Melbourne people, who carry an understandable kind of Covid PTSD.

 

[Redford]

you talked proximity and people exchange.

Tibooburra is in NSW, but way further from Sydney than Warnambool and far fewer people move between Tibooburra and Sydney than Sydney and warnabool.

im pointing out the arbitrary nature of borders and people, the chinks in our federation and how it relates to Covid.

I understand why you dont get my point.

No worries.

As somebody else pointed out, you can’t apply “spots” of restrictions around an entire state and expect to control it. One person from one town is ok to enter… someone else up the road isn’t….ah who knows let’s just go.

I don’t understand why don’t get that.

No worries.