Coronavirus

[RoarEmotion]

Also have just read that in Indonesia 1.2 % of deaths are in children and half of those under age 5.
Something in the order of 400 hundred dead children.
Pass this info on to all those who say it is just a little Flu or a hoax.

Unfortunately (almost) all that say that won’t listen / or change their mind. It’s like the emperors new clothes on steroids. We’ve already had pictures of funeral pyres in parking lots in India. I guess they will be viewed as staged by anyone thinking this is a hoax.

My view is we will end up with multiple new Darwin awards winners. . And then this is what will probably change those peoples minds when they get it or a close friend/family member does.

 

[pete and tys]

Unfortunately (almost) all that say that won’t listen / or change their mind. It’s like the emperors new clothes on steroids. We’ve already had pictures of funeral pyres in parking lots in India. I guess they will be viewed as staged by anyone thinking this is a hoax.

My view is we will end up with multiple new Darwin awards winners. . And then this is what will probably change those peoples minds when they get it or a close friend/family member does.

Nice ....Re Darwin Award winners.
Maybe I do have it wrong...just let natural selection do its thing.
Still, horribly sad to lose loved ones ,especially innocent children , to herd stupidity.

 

[AngryAnt]

Herd stupidity is a very real human behaviour.
Never ceases to amaze me how poor human knowledge education and comprehension is.
Honestly, this is the real epidemic...more so than covid.

yep. I used to believe that facts and real information would always beat misinformation. Social media proved me wrong.

 

[Ian4]

38 is the highest number NSW has had since the first wave in April 2020. Just think about that…

I heard a little bit of today’s presser. Gladys was talking about how bad the Delta Variant is… yet she still won’t lock down properly. Its time to being in the “4 reasons to leave home rule” as well as the 5km travel limit.

Of today’s 38 new locally acquired cases, 17 were in isolation throughout their infectious periods and nine cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Eleven cases were infectious in the community. One case remains under investigation.

Unless they change their goal and/or their strategy it won’t end….

If 21 were out and about, they are gonna go and infect their own family, their family will go out and about while infectious and infect others. and the circle continues. You are 100% correct. it is time for NSW to change their strategy.

 

[MD Jazz]

Also have just read that in Indonesia 1.2 % of deaths are in children and half of those under age 5.
Something in the order of 400 dead children.
Pass this info on to all those who say it is just a little Flu or a hoax.

Did you know before covid the death rate of children under 5 in Indonesia? 2.39%. Many more than 400 dead. I assume from preventable causes if they had better medical treatments.

In the US only 324 deaths from covid in children between 0-17 out of 600,000 deaths. That is 0.05% of deaths.

Over 1300 0-18's die every year from gun deaths in the US. Many more seriously injured.

The reality is Covid barely effects young people/children's health directly. Indirectly its causing chaos. Mental health issues skyrocketing in the young in Aus.

Health experts warn young people are at centre of impending mental health crisis following COVID

Experts say the mental health of young Australians is being particularly affected by COVID lockdowns – with eating disorders and other acute mental health conditions on the rise.

www.abc.net.au

 

[AngryAnt]

Did you know before covid the death rate of children under 5 in Indonesia? 2.39%. Many more than 400 dead. I assume from preventable causes if they had better medical treatments.

In the US only 324 deaths from covid in children between 0-17 out of 600,000 deaths. That is 0.05% of deaths.

Over 1300 0-18's die every year from gun deaths in the US. Many more seriously injured.

The reality is Covid barely effects young people/children's health directly. Indirectly its causing chaos. Mental health issues skyrocketing in the young in Aus.

Health experts warn young people are at centre of impending mental health crisis following COVID

Experts say the mental health of young Australians is being particularly affected by COVID lockdowns – with eating disorders and other acute mental health conditions on the rise.

www.abc.net.au

Yes, for sure Indonesia is a very different story to the countries in the west. High infant mortality, a severe lack of hospitals and beds, about 10% of the doctors per capita than we have. So if kids do get it there they would be much more likely to die.

 

[Tigers of Old]

38..shops still open huh?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Herd stupidity is a very real human behaviour.
Never ceases to amaze me how poor human knowledge education and comprehension is.
Honestly, this is the real epidemic...more so than covid.

Indonesian epidemiologist says country has reached 'herd stupidity' in COVID second wave

 

[larabee]

Side effects detected in Pfizer vaccine…

Fears Pfizer Jab May Cause Recipients To Lose All Sense Of Responsibility — The Shovel

"Their responsibility levels immediately drop and they disappear, sometimes for days at a time”.

www.theshovel.com.au

 

[AngryAnt]

Indonesian epidemiologist says country has reached 'herd stupidity' in COVID second wave

Good article... Indonesia has a high rate of social media uptake, and they also have the same types of idiots promoting anti-vaccine rhetoric as we do. Just the flavour differs.

 

[Bunnerz]

If NSW go up into triple figures, WA will close to them for rest of 2021 i reckon after listening to that.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

What I find interesting as an aside to the COVID management environment we are living in.

It's very smart business from the tech giants who have been rapidly chipping away convincing society that people cannot function without a phone tied to their person at all times. And not just any old phone, it must be a late model device with the capability to download the latest applications. Forcing people to continually, wastefully throw away their last device and upgrade. I suppose tying in nicely with the quasi religion of consumerism that people live for. The environmental impact of that is significant. And bare in mind that these tech companies - that are pushing society into a check mate position, that each individual simply cannot function without purchasing one of their devices continually - are infamous for funneling their revenue to the offshore financial network and hoarding the profits, while paying measly amounts in taxation (sounds not dissimilar to the tactics of a drug dealing cartel).

And in effect, the check in requirement - while not officially, but in practical terms - nearly makes one a criminal for not 1) owning a late model smartphone and/or 2) carrying one at all times. Sure, people say that one can sign in manually with pen and paper, but probably half or more of establishments seem to not have this option - it's an implied societal expectation that you carry a late model smart phone at all times.

How long until it's considered too inconvenient or even risky to carry around a phone that could be misplaced/lost/stolen. So people have a chip implanted instead? And by default it becomes essentially impossible to live without and practically illegal to not have that chip implanted. As you cannot enter any establishments without 'checking in' by way of your chip being scanned, cannot pay for anything without scanning your bank details in that chip, cannot access medical treatment without your Medicare details being scanned from that chip, cannot vote without scanning your chip, cannot get a passport or drivers license if you don't have the capability of having those details loaded into your implanted chip etc....

I just went to Woolies and I make a habit of not having a phone with me at all times. Living in simpler times before instant contact was always required. In fact, if I didn't have a work supplied phone I would go bare minimalist and go back to a mid 1990s Nokia style of phone, that simply texts and makes calls. They had a staff member on the door. No phone, no entry. And I wasn't even offered a sign in sheet of paper.

"You will comply or you will starve".

 

[Bunnerz]

Thats shocking Panthera. Surely Wooloes cnt do that.

A few times i too left the phone at home, had to sign a sheet of paper (no problems) or sometimes just didnt bother.

 

[pete and tys]

Did you know before covid the death rate of children under 5 in Indonesia? 2.39%. Many more than 400 dead. I assume from preventable causes if they had better medical treatments.

In the US only 324 deaths from covid in children between 0-17 out of 600,000 deaths. That is 0.05% of deaths.

Over 1300 0-18's die every year from gun deaths in the US. Many more seriously injured.

The reality is Covid barely effects young people/children's health directly. Indirectly its causing chaos. Mental health issues skyrocketing in the young in Aus.

Health experts warn young people are at centre of impending mental health crisis following COVID

Experts say the mental health of young Australians is being particularly affected by COVID lockdowns – with eating disorders and other acute mental health conditions on the rise.

www.abc.net.au

All that is true about health care in an underdeveloped country... but if we can believe statistics....and often we cannot...then this is 400 children who have died from covid infection....the point being that covid does infect and kill young people.
Again the point being....it is not an illness that knocks off the very aged and infirm only....it also kills the young who have a whole life in front of them....and who have a loving family who are forever affected.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Drives me crazy that the states aren't yet required to follow a uniform covid protocol. Would Glady's even have a lockdown now that taxpayers (support payments) are being asked to stump up for if there had been such an agreed protocol? No it's all just wishy washy. One state mandating masks the other asking nicely for people to wear them. One state shops staying open, the others closed.
What on earth is Federal Cabinet for if they don't follow the same processes? Shithouse Federal leadership. LEAD FFS.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Delta variant..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412943136704274438

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Thats shocking Panthera. Surely Wooloes cnt do that.

A few times i too left the phone at home, had to sign a sheet of paper (no problems) or sometimes just didnt bother.

Look, I didn't abuse the staff member or anything like that. He was just a teenage kid doing what he was told. I worked in retail as a teenager and have been on the receiving end, so don't want to be a rude, entitled *smile* making a scene at the poor kid's expense. But it's an interesting observation of the rabbit hole we are going down. Not just from the Orwellian dystopian perspective I earlier eluded to, but also what it means for the vulnerable underbelly being created.

It's interesting how we often smugly proclaim all of the extra capabilities these technological advances give our society. But when we become so reliant on it to underpin everyday life and society's survival, there is no thought to the immense additional vulnerabilities created in our systems and the capabilities we lose. History tells us that civilisations collapse due largely to too much complexity.

Sure, in a simpler society, with less sophisticated technological prowess, life is not as convenient. But it is a more robust society, because of the lower level of complexity. That is the trade off.

To illustrate. If someone sinister wanted to take us back to the stone age with people killing each other for food within a few weeks, all they would need to do is disrupt the internet and electricity. Whereas in past eras it would have taken a concerted campaign of a much stronger power blockading or shelling for months, or even years to get to that point. A much more involved task. A solar flare in more agrarian times was a minor inconvenience. In the modern day - with all of the digital technology we rely on that is interlinked with supplying all of the goods and services that sustain us - it would be catastrophic with blood in the streets within days/weeks as all supply chains and finance screeched to a halt.

 

[eZyT]

It's been quite noticeable that since the lockdown Berejiklian has gone from saying i to we. She was happy to take all the credit when things were go ok in NSW, but has been quick to be more inclusive since things went pear shaped.

let me get this straight tman,

your saying that a politician

may be a fair weather friend,with a finely tuned wind vane, and a judiscious tongue?

 

[tigerman]

let me get this straight tman,

your saying that a politician

may be a fair weather friend,with a finely tuned wind vane, and a judiscious tongue?

Indeed, that's exactly what I'm saying easy.

Do you know why they don't have weathercocks easy? If they called them weather****, the wind would go straight through them.

 

[Baloo]

What I find interesting as an aside to the COVID management environment we are living in.

It's very smart business from the tech giants who have been rapidly chipping away convincing society that people cannot function without a phone tied to their person at all times. And not just any old phone, it must be a late model device with the capability to download the latest applications. Forcing people to continually, wastefully throw away their last device and upgrade. I suppose tying in nicely with the quasi religion of consumerism that people live for. The environmental impact of that is significant. And bare in mind that these tech companies - that are pushing society into a check mate position, that each individual simply cannot function without purchasing one of their devices continually - are infamous for funneling their revenue to the offshore financial network and hoarding the profits, while paying measly amounts in taxation (sounds not dissimilar to the tactics of a drug dealing cartel).

And in effect, the check in requirement - while not officially, but in practical terms - nearly makes one a criminal for not 1) owning a late model smartphone and/or 2) carrying one at all times. Sure, people say that one can sign in manually with pen and paper, but probably half or more of establishments seem to not have this option - it's an implied societal expectation that you carry a late model smart phone at all times.

How long until it's considered too inconvenient or even risky to carry around a phone that could be misplaced/lost/stolen. So people have a chip implanted instead? And by default it becomes essentially impossible to live without and practically illegal to not have that chip implanted. As you cannot enter any establishments without 'checking in' by way of your chip being scanned, cannot pay for anything without scanning your bank details in that chip, cannot access medical treatment without your Medicare details being scanned from that chip, cannot vote without scanning your chip, cannot get a passport or drivers license if you don't have the capability of having those details loaded into your implanted chip etc....

I just went to Woolies and I make a habit of not having a phone with me at all times. Living in simpler times before instant contact was always required. In fact, if I didn't have a work supplied phone I would go bare minimalist and go back to a mid 1990s Nokia style of phone, that simply texts and makes calls. They had a staff member on the door. No phone, no entry. And I wasn't even offered a sign in sheet of paper.

"You will comply or you will starve".

No worries. With the Gates Covid vaccination plan, you'll have a 5G capable tracking chip implanted so you never need to buy a new device. But there will be costly chip software upgrades to keep you alive.